Posted By Austin Yorski about 7 months ago
Thumb Wars Special! – Last Chance for Square Enix?, 7.9 out of 10 based on 22 ratings
Taylor and Austin discuss the fall of their ex-favorite game company.
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Wow, the whole business with GRIN was some epic douchebaggery.
The two things I hear people ask most of SE is FF7 HD remake & KH3. If they’re struggling, just give the fans what they want instead of being so damn stubborn.
Fans can’t seem to agree with where SE should take FF. A)Go forward, be ambitios, revolutionize JRPGs, keep trying till you get it right. B)Those who like 6 & 4 best & thought it went downhill at 7 say make the FF series 2D/2.5D-only for handhelds (those who liked 7 & 9 best disagree). C)Many still insist the series is doing fine & haters who went in expecting to hate it are just being more vocal than real fans. D)Others say they’re just releasing too many to often, that SE relies too heavily on the series when they should only release them occasionally as a treat,, or that they should temporarily retire the series until they can think of something less cut-&-paste. E)Others say SE has lost touch with what modern audiences want from RPGs & the whole creative team needs to be swapped.
I’d forgotten how hideous Akira Toriyama’s art is.
I just had another thought, maybe re-making FF7 for the PS4 would be a needed lesson to the whole development team on how to make a successful game. Just like fighting games went back to the basics with SF4 and MK. They need to study their big hits and re-learn what they think they know.
I think FF needs to go back to the drawing board, they can keep the numbering, but they basically need a reboot. Make an old school battle system, explorable world, a linear storyline. Use a setting and art style similar to FF6 or FF7. Give it to someone like Level 5 who has had success with other series, and has shown a knack for old school elements with Ni No Kuni. I am with Taylor, FF12 was the last one I bothered to buy, then I said, ENOUGH of this crap! I will still give a new FF game a glance but it doesn’t take much to make me turn away from it, either.
Valkyrie Profile: Covenent of the Plume was the DS one. I had one of the single greatest premises I have ever seen in a game. The ability to permanantly sacrifice named characters with personality. The problem, however, is the characters were not written anywhere near enough to make you give a damn about them. You go the character intro arc, and then they become irrelevant to anything you decide to do from there on out.
I would love to see a company like Atlus take an Idea like that and run with it in the dark way that Shin Megami Tensai does.
Secondly, what they need to do with Final Fantasy is bring in Suda51 to direct one game. No more, just one. The world needs to see a Suda FF game.
Of course I believe every franchise needs one non-cannon game directed by Suda just to see what it would look like.
I can tell you exactly when Final Fantasy [FF] started falling apart.
Up until a certain point, there was an implicit promise Square made with its fans regarding FF. They may make spin-offs, they may sell merchandise, but the core series would always have an original story with a new world with every new game.
Despite the fact it would make it easier on themselves to reuse art, stories, and creative energy, Square never violated the trust of fans. Despite the temptation that other companies gave into in making the quick buck by creating a derivitive sequel, Square held fast. They consistently produced new content, with only small common elements for all FF games. Even though I didn’t particularly care for the games after VI, I still respected them, even X, for being consistently creative.
Then X-2 came out.
Was X-2 a terrible game? I don’t know, as I didn’t play it. If the reviews done by various reviewers on TGWTG are any indication, it was, or at least, not good. However that wasn’t the real problem.
Square sold out.
They wanted to make a quick buck, so they reused resources, they plagarized themselves. I’m sure financially they did well, as it doesn’t cost nearly as much to create a game when you don’t have to create completely new art, when you don’t have to spend months on character designs, motivations, world building, and other associated elements of an epic rpg. They also had a huge number of fans, and most would be willing to give a sequel a try, though many at the time cried betrayal.
Fan anger aside, why was it so terrible for Square to make a sequel? Namely this, Square became yet another gaming company dedicated to short-term profit. From here on, Square no longer was bound by any sense of tradition, no sense that they should stick to what they know best. They released a MMORPG and slapped the FF name on it, they created a game where it was entirely possible to create macros that could play battles as well if not better then the player could, and worst, created a game and its sequel where so many traditional elements of the series, and even JRPGs in general, were removed, nor replaced with anything better.
X-2, more then any other blunder Square ever made, was the start of a decline that will, in my view, eventually lead them to failure as a company. They were never the same after that, and I think it shows.
Well, a lot of the things you are saying are really something that Sagaguchi let happen.
After FF9, Sagaguchi seemed to be doing less and allowing the franchise to go in different directions.
With FF10, he put more faith in Toriyama/Kitase division (they did FF7 and FF8 at the time). He allowed several things to be changed. He allowed the games to be more “Interactive Movie RPG”, linear, melodramatic storytelling, flashier battle system and mess with how the story was to be told. What happened afterwords is that FF10 became Japan’s fan favorite Final Fantasy and they kicked out FF9 to the curb.
With X-2, he was the executive producer and watched over the entire process. He could have easily said “No, we are not doing the game THIS way. Let’s do it in a different way”. In fact, Sagaguchi was the one who denied FFX-2 to becoming the Braska-Auron-Jecht prequel. He along with many other people deemed it “Too repetitive to FF10″ at the time and allowed both Kitase and Toriyama to make the game as that was
Sagaguchi was even the one who directed, wrote and produced Final Fantasy: The Spirit’s Within. By doing such, he put the company in danger of financial trouble which in turn did somewhat lead to the Squaresoft and Enix merger. Squaresoft became really interested in “Movie-eque” designs in graphics and embraced such designs when it came to FF10, FF10-2, Advent Children, and FF13.
FF XI was another Squaresoft game that Sagaguchi allowed to happen and he was the executive producer. This was an idea that once again was under the watchful eye of the creator of Final Fantasy. It was Squaresoft’s biggest financial success and made the company a lot of money
Finally, Sagaguchi himself handpicked the people who would design FInal Fantasy XII, saying that “He liked the feel and design of Vagrant Story and wanted a game similar to the Vagrant Story and FF Tactics game.” During his time, only one small change was made and that was to make the battle system more action oriented. Otherwise that that the story, characters, setting, leveling up system and graphics were all under Sagaguchi’s eye until his departure back in 2004. Although he is mentioned as “Special Thanks”, he was still part of FF12′s initial design and the building blocks to what FF12 became.
When Sagaguchi left, he allowed Toriyama/Kitase to run Division 1 who went on to design FF13 trilogy, he allowed FF direct sequels and side games to start existing, he allowed Square to dive into MMORPG games and he allowed the battle system to be changed in FF12 onwards.
If you don’t believe me, check out his wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hironobu_Sakaguchi
Actually, Spoony seems to have liked X-2. He says it’s not a good game, but he likes it better than X.
Considering that until 13 and 13-2 came out he thought 10 was the worst game in the series, him liking 10-2 more than 10 doesn’t actually mean much of anything. He partially defended the ideas behind 10-2 at the start of his review, but not the end result (aside from the mid-game song sequence).
So? Who cares what one dude thinks?
final fantasy 11 was out 2 1/2 years before wow wows release date was nov 2004 NA/AU, ff11 was may 2002 japan ps2, nov 2002 japan pc, oct 2003 NA pc, mar 2004 NA ps2, sept 04 EU pc so no final fantasy 11 wasn’t on the wow gravy train
Personally I’ve never been a fan of FF or Eastern RPG’s in general. The combat has always been too slow and methodical for my taste. And in the case of FF the stories (especially those after FF7) have just been absolutely terrible. Thirteen in particular taking the cake with keeping important info buried in a separate glossary. They just don’t have anything to get and keep my attention.
I guess what I’m saying is that I’ve never cared all that much for Square(enix) and they haven’t done anything to change that. They certainly have let things like hubris and tradition get in the way but there is still time to fix things.
Actually, there are articles that say otherwise
Here is what I mean. I read up on many articles about Square Enix and Capcom and I get the sense of what the companies do is the exact opposite to each other. It’s really sad given the fact that Square does get more flack than they should be getting:
In FF14, Yoshida explains his feelings in public to the mistakes Square made with the game: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/122356-FFXIV-Director-We-Took-Final-Fantasy-For-Granted
FF13-2 only came into creation after the creators looked closely into it:
LR: FF13 has had the creators more than compliant to answering questions:
Final Fantasy Vs XIII was paid by Sony to expand further
Type 0 is still on Square’s mind
Published games are overprotected and Wada pays for it:
Believe me, when you follow the articles, it tells a different story. A lot of what you say is a joke to me actually. “nobody cares for LR: FF13″, “most gamers hate FF13″, “Kingdom Hearts is going to end at 3″. A lot of of what you are saying is pure fanboyism for the most part. While you do have some good points, there are things that are letting your Squaresoft fanboyism out.
Whenever I bring up Lightning Returns people say, “Oh yeah, I forgot about that game.” That’s the reaction about 90% of the time. Even on a hardcore forum like NeoGaf, reactions are similar. It’s totally off people’s radars.
Like it or not FF13 is the most divisive game in the series. I would say the majority of long-time FF fans were disappointed by it. Shaun is about the only person I’ve met that regularly sings its praises.
And I don’t think we ever said KH3 will be the end, we simply posed the question.
Just because the west has “seemingly” forgotten about it, doesn’t mean the east has forgotten it.
Let’s recall that LR: FF13 is the 5th most anticipated game in Japan right now (plus the only console game and FF game in the top 5.)
And let’s recall that Famitsu, no matter if you think they have an affair with Square Enix or not, is basically the “Game Informer of Japan”. Everybody knows of it, everybody has seen it and a huge majority of people follow it.
I think the word “forgotten” is probably the farthest thing from describing LR: FF13. Saying that the game is “Forgotten” is like saying console games like Ni No Kuni or Xenoblade Chronicles have been “forgotten”. Both of these games have not even broken 1 million copies sold and yet the more hardcore fandom remembers them. I don’t think a console direct sequel to one of the longest running video game franchises in history is going to be “forgotten”.
If anything, a game like Revanent Wings would be “forgotten” due to being a handheld game that had not been marketed very much.
Only time will truly tell.
Sorry, but, no. FFXIII is certainly a popular game to bash on the internet. But it’s just that. You guys fail to understand that the MAJORITY of any fanbase isn’t going to be the small hardcore group found in an English forum. FFXIII appeals to a lot of people, they just aren’t people you pay attention to. Try going to an anime convention or a more Japanese-focused gaming convention. TONS of FFXIII cosplayers and merchandise. I know of one forum I go to (which name I will NOT give) that is full of FFXIII fans that just don’t bother arguing with the haters because it’s not worth their time. We all just shut up because the vocal minority was so loud and annoying about “FINAL FANTASY IS RUINED NOW”.
I mean, look, you didn’t like it. That’s great, go ahead and complain about it. But stop acting like your opinion is some universal fanbase-accepted truth. Final Fantasy XIII sold millions, got universal praise from both Japanese and American critics, and has a loyal dedicated fanbase. Do you really think Square Enix would be making another sequel if the first two weren’t successful or liked? They are a business. If people didn’t like it, they wouldn’t make it.
Oh, and before you use the argument of “FFXIII sold because people didn’t realize it was bad”, XIII-2 sold as well. It was in the Top 5 best selling games of 2011 in Japan. In it’s first week it was Number 2 in America (right under Call of Duty) and Number 1 in Europe. It sold over 3 million copies. That’s 3 million people who loved XIII enough to buy XIII-2. So get off your arrogant high-horse of “my opinion is the fanbase’s opinion” because you don’t speak for 3 million people, you don’t even speak for a hundred people, you speak for yourself alone.
I still stand by my point that Lightning Returns will not sell remarkably well. XIII-2 has sold less than half of XIII, and I expect LR to do even worse. Should it be a success when it releases I will gladly eat my words.
XIII-2 was a direct sequel to XIII that wasn’t marketed very well. The only reason it sold less than half of XIII was because XIII sold such an insane amount of copies (it was the fastest selling FF ever). XIII-2 came out really soon after XIII so it appealed to only the hardcore fans of XIII while the first one appealed to a larger casual audience. Those hardcore fans were still over million people strong, though. Saying “it sold less than 50% of what XIII did” is making it sound worse than it is. XIII-2 cost MUCH MUCH less to make and took MUCH MUCH less time, so selling less than half of XIII is still a success.
And, again, direct sequels never do as much as their originals. You using that like an example would be like you saying the majority didn’t like FFVII because Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus didn’t sell as much as it. Nobody expected XIII-2 to sell as much as XIII, that doesn’t mean the majority shares your opinion. And, AGAIN, it was in the Top 5 best selling games of 2011 in Japan. In it’s first week it was Number 2 in America (right under Call of Duty) and Number 1 in Europe. Does that really sound like a game that sold badly to you? 3 million is not a bad sale. It not reaching the obscene sales of XIII doesn’t make XIII-2 a failure.
I’m with Taylor on this one. A Final Fantasy title of any description used to be a big thing, and Lightning Returns is far from being a big thing.
I liked XIII-2 and look forward to playing the sequel, but it certainly isn’t the big event it used to be.
As for bashing XIII, I think you’ll find its the result of a large portion of the fans feeling that the series has been going downhill since IX. XIII was just the breaking point for a lot of people.
That’s because Lightning Returns is a direct sequel, the second one at that. Aside from the first time they did this with X-2, the direct sequels and spin-offs haven’t been all that much of a “big deal”. Nobody was saying that FF was dead because Dirge of Cerberus or FFIV The After Years wasn’t getting massive attention. XIII-2 sold less than XIII, yes, but it still sold a good amount of copies, especially for a direct sequel. If you think FFXV won’t be a huge deal then I think you’re mistaken.
Lightning Returns IS a big deal anyway. I remember being part of the stream of the Japanese announcement of the game that kept kicking people out because it was too full. I remember the huge Famitsu article. Just like with how you say that “a large portion of the fans didn’t like XIII” all you are doing is seeing the small vocal minority around you feel a certain way and assuming that the world as a whole feels the same. If a “large” number of fans disliked XIII, why is it got 80+% on metacritic, both from critics AND users? Why did it’s sequel sell better than most direct sequels in the series? The answer is because your taking how you feel, adding how your friends feel, and seeing how a the small Western-oriented community around you feels, and attributing it to the overall fanbase. I can do the same. I loved XIII, my friends liked XIII decently enough, and I’m part of a forum where most people loved XIII, I look at youtube comments on XIII songs and people are loving the game, and at anime conventions there are tons of cosplayers. So, like you base your assertion on your small experience, if I do the same then the outcome is that everyone obviously LOVED XIII and are very excited for Lightning Returns.
It’s simply more complicated than that, and I really hope you guys realize that. If you think XIII and XIII-2 are failures and a “large” group of fans hate them, then you are kidding yourself and you will kid yourself when Lightning Returns comes out too.
While true, that does not mean that Square Enix is making good business choices. You can have a loyal fanbase but it may not be enough to really keep your head above water. They are moving, or have moved into a precarious financial situation and all the cosplayers and con goers that are holding loyal currently won’t keep them going for long. While one person can’t speak for everyone, it doesn’t take more than 1 person to see what direction the wind is blowing in for this company.
Yeah, I’m not saying that Square Enix hasn’t made horrible decisions and doesn’t need to fix the way they do things. I’m just sick of seeing people say that the MAJORITY hates XIII, because they don’t. It makes it hard for me to take anyone’s opinion seriously when they start the whole “everyone feels this way because i said so” thing.
Hey Everyone! Long time listener, first time commenter.
Final Fantasy: I don’t care what anyone says I loved XII. XIII is a bad series, but I’m not going to judge someone if they love it. To each their own. And to the whole “Remake FF VII” how come there’s no love for FFV or VI? Those were just as good as VII.
Kingdom Hearts: ……*Sigh* I really don’t know what to say about this series. I love KH. This was the game that actually introduced me to the Final Fantasy series. And the direction their going…..Really Square? TIME TRAVELING? You guys need to stop milking the old cow and let her go out in a glorious hamburger with all the fixings. Plus didn’t they say that KH3 would be the end of the Xahanort saga?
TWEWY: I really do hope that they continue with this series, it would be a crime not to! Of course it should have a different setting and different characters. Even the game style can be different, because the Composer would be different. The only thing I think Square needs to clear up is what happened to Minamimoto and Hanekoma.
“how come there’s no love for FFV or VI?”
I’d actually prefer a remake of VI.
Thanks for commenting! I think the reason for the FFVII remake love is because of the tech demo on PS3. It showed what FF7 would look like running on PS3 and people assumed it was a teaser for a remake when it really wasn’t.
That, and FF7 is considered by many to be something of a benchmark for the series. Old school fans loved it, as it still captured a lot of the magic from the 16-bit era, but it also marked the transition to the new 3D gameplay of newer games. It definitely lacked polish, though, with the Chibi-Popeye sprites. And to facilitate transitions, some of the cutscenes were rendered with the Chibis instead of the more realistic character designs.
In other words, I think people want to see an FF7 remake because they feel the game deserves that coat of polish it was lacking in the original. And others because they want to be able to play the game without having to dust off their old PS1 or (God help us) their old PC discs.
Yeah I think that’s about right, for all it’s greatness FF7 still had a lot of flaws, probably because of the new technology and all. If you could improve that while still keeping the spirit of the original than it would absolutely be what a remake should be in general (but considering this is the company that gave us the FF7 Compilation I doubt this would happen).
Also an interesting little tidbit, in Japan the most requested remake is actually FF8 and I think it’s for this exact same reason.
i stopped caring about what other final fantasy “fans” think a long time ago, drowning in their tears of “every FF after X was garbage” and “FFVII is the only true FF y u no remake” got old pretty fast
Those people have their nostalgia goggles so far up their ass that they replaced their eyes
besides my own enjoyment of the games that came after X, you only have to take a glance at metacritic to see how “horrible” those games were. (FFXI:85,FFXII:92,FFXIII:83, FFXIII-2:79)
there are tons of people (me included) who do care about FFXIII and are excited for lightning returns, but the spiteful idiots try their best to squeeze out every last drop of enjoyment and affection we have for this games with their constant barrage of bile
just because a game didnt fit your rediculous expectations doesnt mean its a failure and no one should be able to enjoy it without getting spit on
I think you are not entirely fair here. FFXIII is not a bad game, and there is a lot of ppl that love that game and nr 2, but its still not what long term fans of the series wanted perhaps. and liking something while others don’t is not something bad, its a difference of opinion.
i have not played FFXIII or the games added and will be added to it, but i got nr 1-2 at home and will play it as time permits. but i got friends who say its shit, and a few others that see it as their personal fav among the series. so i got hopes it will be entertaining when i get around to play them.
as far as you feeling spit on, tbh you should take others comments less seriously. games are made to be fun and enjoyable, and if you feel this is what FFXIII gives you you should say why and try to find similar minded ppl to talk with, no point arguing with ppl that don’t want to listen or change their opinions anyway.
Everyone who disagrees with you is some dumb hater full of nostalgia for the “better days.” And Yes Metacritic, the truly unbiased meter of quality that is.
Ya know, I didn’t used to spit on FF13 fans. I just hated the game. It wasn’t until people like you started given me shit for not appreciating it, not getting it or other such bullshit that I got hostile. They kept trying to excuse it or apologize for it “Oh your expectations were too high, you’re just afraid of change, you’re wearing nostalgia goggles, blah blah blah.” Oh, its my fault I don’t like the game? I’m too dumb and backwards to appreciate the beauty and art of mashing auto-battle as I cycle through the 3 paradigms I’m given during the 20 hour tutorial sequence until the game decides I’ve proven I’ve grown enough to handle using all 3 characters and that I won’t get lost of there’s more than 1 direction for me to travel in? Silly me, how dare I be bored playing a game that is more restricted than RPGs from 1986.
Seriously, screw you and people like you. You can play all the shit games you want, but don’t feed me that it’s my problem I don’t see the turd to be as shiny as you do. Though I’ll say this, FF13 did two great things. It’s inspired some fantastic porn and it lowered my standards enough that I can play almost anything and say “Well, it was better than FF13.”
All I ever heard from people who don’t like FFXIII were legitimate game-related reasons: Limited exploration (linearity), poor character designs, confusing storytelling that requires you to read volumes of external information just to know what the heck is going on, interesting concepts that are introduced and then never developed. All of which are legitimate complaints from people who have come to expect better from Final Fantasy. It’s not nostalgia goggles – it’s reasonable expectations based on the actual game genre and the series title. It would be like going into a Pizza Hut to get a pizza, only to be told that they only sell tacos now.
Claiming that this is all fanboy ranting with no substance, and that those who don’t like it have nostalgia glasses up their assess, is like that Microsoft guy who told consumers “Deal with it!”
You say you like the game? Fine. But for those of us who actually have expectations – and not unreasonable ones, I would contend – is no reason to be all up in our shit.
I’m confused. People actually defend XIII vehemently?
In my experience, Final Fantasy has always been ambitions and hit or miss.
VII? Materia RPG system was great. Hippy lifestream? Bad.
VIII? Cool story centering around a school. Drawing painful.
Crisis Core? Awesome story balanced and a WTF?! leveling system.
Every FF game I’ve played had something I loved and something I despised, so when I popped XIII in and got pretty graphics, great music, horrible voice acting, THE CORRIDOR, and some characters who slowly grew on me as the story went on, I regarded it as on the sour edge of normal.
But then XIII-2 came, and S-E thoroughly restored my faith in their ability to make a game I enjoy, even if it still is faulted.
Woo legend of Dragoon! Oh and the Valkyrie Profile games are great, and the DS game is pretty good and got decent reviews as well, I think you should play it Austin. I think all three games hold up well, and I would love to see more from that series.
Remake of disk 2 of Xenogears, like actually make it this time.
Also Versus XIII needs to come finally.
Eh. Honestly, I’m not even sure that I much care what happens to Square-Enix. They’ve made all of three things I have much love for: Dragon Quest, The World Ends With You, and Chrono Trigger. Dragon Quest has been in Level-5′s hands for a while now, and it’s such a huge thing in Japan that I’d imagine it would survive even if something happened to SE. Chrono Trigger I don’t think we’ll ever see anything more from anyway. And TWEWY, well, I don’t know that I want a sequel to that. I don’t know how you’d do that, with the way that game worked. I guess your suggestion of doing it like Final Fantasy in the sense that the sequels aren’t actually connected to their predecessors save by some gameplay elements is about the only thing I could see working, but even that I’m not sure of.
Final Fantasy, well, I tried getting into that series, because I am a big JRPG fan who nonetheless didn’t have a platform Final Fantasy was on until like 2007 (except the NES, but I never even heard of FF back when I had that), but I’m just not impressed. Even the games that I did enjoy playing in that series I don’t think are anything spectacular, and the ones that I didn’t like were pretty bad. Certainly I have no faith in Lightning Returns – even though I liked the combat in FF13, 13′s story and characters were so bad that I can’t even muster the interest to actually try 13-2. I’m not completely closed off to the series at this point I suppose, but they definitely can’t catch my interest with anything remotely related to 13, and my default reaction to anything with “Final Fantasy” in its name is going to be skepticism.
I did enjoy Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2, but not enough to play the handheld games, and I lost the ability to follow or care about the story halfway through 2. I’d probably play a Kingdom Hearts 3, but mostly for the gameplay, and I’m not heavily looking forward to it.
As for the western-developed titles that they simply publish, I’d guess those are their best bet for making money at this point. Personally though, I’ve yet to actually care about any of them, either. Deus Ex is a first-person shooter, a genre I don’t enjoy; Hitman is a series that just doesn’t appeal to me in the slightest; and for Tomb Raider I actually watched part of a Let’s Play to decide whether I cared about it because I was conflicted about different things I was hearing about it, and in the end I simply didn’t like what I saw of that.
So, yeah, I’m overall pretty ambivalent. Of course, I’m not in the boat of having grown up with things that they made – as I said, I didn’t even have a system that Final Fantasy was on until 2007 (when I got a PS2), which includes the SNES and PS1, which seems to be where most of their goodwill and old-school fanbase comes from. I did play the Dragon Quest 1-3 remakes on the GBC, but then I lost track of that series until I got that PS2 as well, so even that franchise I don’t exactly have a long, nostalgic love for, much as I do like it. Plus honestly with the changes they made starting in 9 I’ve come to doubt that they’ll ever top DQ8 anyway.
Not FFVI level graphics; Suikoden II level graphics! Or even Disgaea-ish.
Valkyrie Profile reboot?
I’d buy it! What is tri-Ace even working on right now?
I’m not really too concerned about Square-Enix. They’ve made some iffy stuff lately, but they’re too old and well known to disappear completely. If bad goes to worse, someone will buy them out.
“I don’t think anybody cares about Lightning Returns.”
Well, I care.
XIII-2 is my favorite Final Fantasy, which doesn’t say as much as it sounds: FF has always been my guilty pleasure. I’m loosely excited for LR because it looks like a game I’ll love. I just can’t be sold on it until I see a review because, well, XIII. (I liked XIII, but it wasn’t an RPG: it was a video game opera.)
But Final Fantasy is neither here nor there: it’s not what I really want from S-E.
What I really, REALLY want to see, though S-E do is remake Parasite Eve in the Cthulu mythos. S-E doesn’t have the license to the Parasite Even novel, anymore, but the PE games had a lot of Lovecraftian themes and monster design. Most of Cthulu is public property, and it’s a big name that will generate hype outside S-E’s fanbase. That, and now that Dead Space has become too large to make Dead Space 4, there’s a huge space for an AAA RPG horror game.
Final Fantasy X-2 was the first time I started having my doubts with the Final Fantasy franchise. Final Fantasy XII alleviated those fears; I may be a minority here, but I thoroughly enjoyed that entry. Final Fantasy XIII, however, was about the time I stopped caring for the Square product. That whole game felt wrong, the graphics, the setting, the story, even the music had this definitive lack of final fantasy feeling.
I think if Square went the route of Final Fantasy IX and actually created a game that harkened back to the original tropes of the franchise that many old fans would be thrilled. Final Fantasy IX is probably one of my favorites in the franchise, and I would love to see another Final Fantasy where all the characters aren’t anime rejects.
Anyways, Final Fantasy XIV is actually shaping up to be a game that looks and sounds like an old school Final Fantasy game. The soundtrack has that definitive final fantasy sound, probably due to Nobuo Uematsu being in charge of it, the art design and locations all have that feel as well… It’s too bad that the game is an MMORPG — which will no doubt turn off many gamers from playing it. Doesn’t hurt that the first iteration of the game was eviscerated for being so archaic with the gameplay.
“Everybody loves Kingdom Hearts”, I beg to differ there. I personaly think KH is a very awful series and has been from the very start.
As for what SE could do to save themselves I think they should consider collaborating with other developers, not outsourcing but collaborating. Final Fantasy being worked on with Level 5 or hell I can see Cyberconnect 2 working with SE on that one. Just give somebody the chance to bring some new ideas to the table, also get rid of all the tired tropes and cliches that plagued FF for years now. Final Fantasy 7 was a success largely because ot did things that, at the time, nobody did before, it wasy radically different from what people thought a JRPG is. Nowadays all the things that FF7 did different are now tired cliches themselves because of FF7s huge impact on the industry and I think it’s time that SE should do something like that again. Going against all expactations and in a direction no one anticipated while still keeping what made the Final Fantasy series great. Take a chance is what i’m saying, it’s a gamble I know but it already payed off twice for them now. At this moment it’s either sink or swim for them.
I positively hated Kingdom Hearts. Every single thing about it rubbed me the wrong way.
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