DmC Devil May Cry in 5 Seconds
There’s been a lot of controversy surrounding this reboot of Devil May Cry. How does it shape up? Allow Taylor to break it down in 5 short seconds.
Posted By Guru Larry about 4 months ago
DmC: Devil May Cry – Review, 4.9 out of 10 based on 35 ratings ![]()
Hey everyone, I know this is a real “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” review. This review is my own personal opinion towards the game, not that of a fanboy, I even judged it as a stand alone game, rather than part of the original Devil May Cry series. Which, in all honesty, it isn’t. So please take this into consideration when commentating.
I am not adverse to reboots, nor is Capcom (Bionic Commando has had at least two reboots so far, not including the Game Boy ones, and all the Mega Man ones go without saying) but I know it’s a double edged sword for a lot of people. You may love the characters and not want to say goodbye to them, but on the other hand do you really want to run something you once cherished into the ground? (The Simpsons is a prime example). But this is merely my opinion as a stand alone game, and not part of a longer franchise.
Before anyone brings this up from my past, yes 10 years ago I was offered a job as the character designer for Ninja Theory’s “Kung Fu Chaos” (as it was originally going for a manga/anime style), but the offer fell apart because of several frustrating reasons. So, while I do have history it bares no relevance whatsoever on this review.
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There’s been a lot of controversy surrounding this reboot of Devil May Cry. How does it shape up? Allow Taylor to break it down in 5 short seconds.
Long Time Fans aren’t all that happy about the new direction and look of Dante. Daniel gives his thoughts – DMC Devil May Cry Review – ZGR
Stylish, superb, and other synonyms for the word ‘good’ that start with ‘s’.
We’re a sexy, angel banging, teen throbbing, demon hunter named Dante, and we’re going to give you the ride of your life!
The time of reckoning has arrived for Ninja Theory’s take on Dante the Devil Hunter.
Guru Larry looks at the controversial reboot of Capcom’s beloved series.
An old favorite will be back in the latest Devil May Cry game.
I do not know about the Devil but the game has certainly left many a player crying and it has not even hit shelves yet.
Also, a few extra videos.
With just under an hour of footage to boot.
Posted By Shaun K. about 4 months, 1 week ago
An old favorite will be back in the latest Devil May Cry game.
Posted By Shaun K. about 4 months, 1 week ago
I do not know about the Devil but the game has certainly left many a player crying and it has not even hit shelves yet.
Posted By Austin Yorski about 4 months, 3 weeks ago
Also, a few extra videos.
Posted By Shaun K. about 5 months ago
With just under an hour of footage to boot.
Posted By Shaun K. about 5 months, 1 week ago
The devil (as always) is in the details.
Posted By Austin Yorski about 6 months ago
The voice actors for Vergil, Mundus, and more share their thoughts.
Posted By Nobunaga about 6 months ago
With all the controversy of on-disc DLC by Capcom, it’s no surprise that they are sure to state that this upcoming DLC isn’t already waiting for us…
Posted By Shaun K. about 6 months ago
Forget about the devil, the real question is will this game leave players crying once they actually get to play it?
Posted By Austin Yorski about 6 months, 2 weeks ago
Capcom also announces new difficulty modes.
Posted By Shaun K. about 7 months, 1 week ago
Pre-order bonuses are the name of the game these days and they have been for sometime.
Posted By Austin Yorski about 3 months, 4 weeks ago
DmC: Devil May Cry – Review, 4.9 out of 10 based on 35 ratings ![]()
The opening hours of Dante’s reboot are rough. Half-naked women gyrate across the screen for no particular reason, while the new Mundus chews the scenery like it’s made out of candy. The old, embarrassing themes of evil big business are back from the ill-advised Devil May Cry 2, but the soundtrack seems to be trying to keep up with the times, leaning closer to aggrotech and electro-industrial than the black and death metal that has defined previous scores. As expected, every word out of the new Dante’s mouth is cringe-inducing.
Then something unexpected happens: It gets better.
| PROS | Accessibility, Combat |
| CONS | Platforming, Technical issues, Social commentary, Angst |
| WTF?! | Meningitis? Really? |
It probably can’t be overstated that the alienating first act of Ninja Theory’s reboot seem to confirm everything the game’s detractors feared from the start. Far from the cool, self-assured Devil Hunter that originally slew Mundus, the raven-locked Nü Dante has all the charisma of a grease stain. The story trips over itself to explain every last detail of its world, seemingly unaware that it is mining themes and ideas already covered in everything from John Carpenter’s They Live to Futurama. It somehow even manages to botch a basic understanding of concepts like Wicca and Nephilim. In short, it would be too easy to give up on this title before it even begins.
If you can get past the clumsy exposition and bad haircuts of the first act though, DmC opens up into a rewarding hack ‘n’ slash experience. Once you unlock the game’s three main weapons and the two accompanying whips, the combat falls neatly into place. The original Devil May Cry was an aborted Resident Evil given second life with fighting game mechanics. The reboot forges its own path using two triggers to give the player access to three separate “styles” of play. There’s Rebellion, Dante’s trusty sword; Arbiter, a slow but brutally powerful weapon; and Osiris, a weaker tool for quick strikes and crowd control. The interplay between these is easy enough to grasp, but it’s the addition of the grappling hooks that cement the combat style. Just as Nero’s Devil Bringer gave DMC4 a unique gameplay gimmick, the introduction of two separate long-range grabs (one to bring you to enemies and one to bring enemies to you) crystallizes a novel combat system that is as accessible as it is satisfying.
Of course, the question of difficulty still needs to be answered. Admittedly, the default setting is noticeably more lenient than past entries. However, with a plethora of different modes to unlock and choose from, there is little point in mourning the death of challenge. Similarly, the loss of a dedicated lock-on feature seems like a train-wreck on paper, but it is pulled off with surprising fluidity. Channeling previous projects like Heavenly Sword and Enslaved: Odyssey to the West, Dante easily flits between attackers with a simple tilt of the analog stick, rarely ever hitting the incorrect target. The loss of target-specific moves is a necessary compromise, but there is no detectable drop in the quality of minute-to-minute fights.
Speaking of seemingly arbitrary changes, the classic upgrade system has undergone a variety of tweaks as well. No longer content to collect red orbs and spend them between missions and on the pause menu, Dante now has to stop by designated shopping kiosks to buy items and to exchange white orbs for individual attacks. This may seem like change for change’s sake, but the option to re-spec your abilities at no cost gives you the freedom to experiment with different techniques and play-styles. While some may lament the decreased aggression of foes (and their more obvious telegraphs), the fact remains that DmC‘s more forgiving nature does come with some benefits to the rest of the package as a whole.
For example, the streamlined design of the title creates fewer opportunities for exploration than the Capcom installments, and yet it contains a much more addictive sense of replay-ability. The scoring system allows for more wiggle room in getting a SSS Rank, but you still need to hunt down all of the “Lost Souls” and door keys to unlock optional challenges. These simple, finite goals beg for a run on each difficulty mode, which amounts to quite a bit of value over 20 missions. Throw in some strange and memorable boss fights and you have a surprisingly competent attempt at a genre which still hasn’t recovered from the cataclysmic brilliance of Bayonetta.
With all that said, there are some strangely sharp edges on some of the game’s more polished surfaces. The platforming is particularly egregious in its irrelevance, as it is seemingly emphasized despite an apparent lack of purpose. All of the sky-borne platforms and their ominous chains make for scenic backdrops, but navigating them is little more than tedious busywork. This isn’t helped by jumping and jump-boosting mechanics that occasionally refuse to work and the rare case of clipping right through a platform and into the abyss. Combine this with the drama-free chase sequences right out of Silent Hill: Downpour (just go forward to outrun the evil) and you are left with some underwhelming scenes in between the taut action. I also must report that the game crashed on me twice, although there is always a chance that such a failure lies at the feet of the hardware involved.
Another annoyance that comes and goes is the camera. While you thankfully have complete control over your view of the action the majority of the time, getting hit at the wrong moment or walking into certain areas will sometimes suddenly compel the camera to move of its own accord. This seems to be the game’s attempt to help you by re-framing the scene, but it almost always did more harm than good. It’s a relatively minor complaint in the grand scheme of things, but it did end up as a bigger issue than the much-feared 30 frames per second promised by the engine. The effect is barely noticeable unless you are looking for it, unlike the ludicrous dance you can force Dante to perform if you spin the left analog stick (Go ahead! You know you want to try it.)
You may have noticed that a good portion of this review has focused on mechanics and functional minutiae. While it is important to establish the way in which DmC differs from its predecessors, it is also inevitable that we would need to loop around to the style, tone, and aesthetic of the reboot, a.k.a. the most contentious aspect of the whole release. As previously established, the game is often an angst-ridden exercise in trying too hard to be dark and gritty, but it does occasionally get back to the roots of over-the-top spectacle and dumb, self-conscious humor. It never reaches Devil May Cry 3 levels of glory, but it is a serviceable attempt at forging a new path.
The best thing you can say for Ninja Theory’s art design is that it is consistent. Dante’s battle through Limbo may be full of worn tropes and hammy dialogue, but there is imagination to spare in the environment and monsters. The streets stretch and contract, monsters ooze and hiss, and all the while a strange red glow permeates the world, like an alternate version of Silent Hill from an 80′s music video. It’s an acquired taste, but one which grows on you over time. On the other hand, the same cannot be said of Vergil’s wardrobe….
It’s only January, but DmC: Devil May Cry may have already secured its place as the most controversial release of the year. 2013 may see other spin-offs, reboots, and developer changes, but it seems impossible to imagine any other property touching such a raw nerve within its fanbase. The reasons for this violent reaction have been clearly stated and reiterated time and time again, but we aren’t here to pass judgement on Capcom for its decisions–this is about one game, and its merits as an entertainment product.
As a third-person, stylish, character-driven, score attack action game, DmC is solid. It doesn’t break new ground or shake up any conventions, but once it comes into its own it is a reasonable amount of fun. Whether or not it is disrespectful of its source material is an argument for another day, but as a stand-alone video game it is a solid weekend rental or Steam sale bargain. However, its name remains redundant and goofy.
A copy of the game was purchased for review purposes and was completed in about 11 hours. The title was played on Xbox 360, but is also available for PS3 and PC.
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@ ryuknight,hoodedwanderer, and anyone else who thinks that this reboot does justice to the series.
As /v/ would say nice try of marketing the game guys. We are not buying it. Enjoy the game in peace but enough of this rubbish that DmC matches up in any way,shape, or form to the original series.
There are certainly flaws to be found like the red/blue enemies that can only be damaged by certain weapons,
the neutered style point system,
the overly excessive amount of platforming and the general tone of the game.
But all that aside it’s still a reasonably solid hack n’ slash romp that I feel is worth my time.
Personally I don’t understand all the hate for this game, it isn’t perfect but certainly doesn’t deserve the backlash from the fans.
Pros:
+Better story that actually establishes characterization
+AWESOME combat that is probably the most fluid it’s ever been
+The Nephilim idea really worked well and establishes a better understanding of the power of Dante and Vergil
+New devil trigger is a lot of fun to invoke and well worth the wait
+The art design is unique and makes limbo look fantastic
+Great replay value
+Solid introduction to a new take on the series
Cons:
-Some disappointing boss fights
-The social commentary is a bit heavy handed and doesn’t really fit with the story (seriously? what was up with the whole “Anonymous” characterization of the order)
-Longish load times
-Short! (but then again so was the entire series)
-Some of the one liners are cringe worthy
-Vergil was underused
I understand that a reboot is controversial but DMC deserves a chance to become a great series. Ninja Theory treated the license with respect and I would love to see how this story progresses. It just makes me sick how so many fans are simply writing it off as “Too different, therefore bad”
Then Google it or even better yet visit the /V/ board on 4chan. They’ll be even more than happy to fill you in on the details.
http://not-my-dante.deviantart.com/journal/Killing-DmC-347931504
Frankly I hate all the debate surrounding this game, is there some level of merit on both sides, yeah, but it’s drowned out by a sea of vitriol. I like the game, regardless of what people say I will continue to like the game, it has rough edges, that’s to be expected.
The game is more visually interesting (TO ME) because it does interesting things with otherwise pedestrian locations, DMC4 had nice looking levels, but considering it had pretty much 4 levels on repeat that’s not much. The character designs are a mixed bag, but I do like the overall aesthetic, I’m fine with the new design for dante rather than just the “DANTE 2.0″ design they went with for nero.
The soundtrack is on par with other games in the series, but that’s hardly been a matter of contention among people, it has genres I like and the music is good and gets you pumped up.
The platforming is bland, I will admit that, if Ninja Theory gets a sequel I hope they do more to make the platforming more interesting, the platforming in Enslaved was great, so I know that the devs can do it.
The game sold poorly so unless Capcom wants to piss off even more fans they would be wise either to kill the series or make DMC5 as they should done in the first fucking place.
At least you’re not actively insulting the fans of the real Devil May Cry.
I have yet to see any reasonable arguments ins support of this game.
Bleck, even Virgil’s design makes me want to puke.
The demo was pretty fun overall, but if the writing is consistently like it was in the demo I’m gonna have to pass on this. Judging by your review I’d say that’s at least fairly on the money, so I’ll wait for Metal Gear Rising for my Hack and Slash quota to be met.
I will throw in my 2 cents just for shits and giggles.
The comments i see like this one from my good friend Slyveria the Blistered thumbs cave troll(“I and many others who resent this game on principle have stated numerous times that if this was a new sub-series or a new character we’d be FAR less hostile towards.”) are all I need to completely disregard any hatred of this game.
Essentially the argument against it being a good game is “but its different i don’t like it despite the fact it is a good game so therefor i will mindlessly hate it”
Honestly how do you expect to be taken seriously when that is your position on something? And why the hell should developers listen to the whining of a bunch of children who wanted strawberry jam sandwiches again instead of trying raspberry in case they might like it?
I will be the first to admit the game had flaws, no game is without them but they are being blown out of all proportion (a lot of the time by people who haven’t even played the fucking game)for no reason other than “hey this guy has black hair and is an utter cock”
The funny thing is those complaining about Dantes Character traits in this game are proving themselves to be even worse than him with petty and nonsensical arguments about style or story without even talking about the core gameplay (presumably because i said before they have not even played it)
I don’t even blame Ninja Theory for mocking fanboys in the game through easter eggs and cutscenes, the outcry and aggression from the gaming community was uncalled for and you deserve to be mocked for your ignorance.
As for gameplay my main complaint was colour coded enemies and the lack of a decent lock on. Other than that even when i try really hard I cant think of anything else at fault with it, though, at a push i could say that later game when the enemy numbers are slimmed in favour of some fights with 3 or 4 hardcore enemies that can be annoying but really not worth moaning about due to the fact you can still pull off some nice chaining combos and kill with style.
I guess my point is if we ever want to be taken seriously as a community of gamers we need to cut out this bullshit of pre-judging something before it is even released and then only pass judgment having played the game and do so honestly.
Sounds like asskissing to me buddy.
Because I have standards beyond just “is it fun?” I like Django Unchained, but I don’t condemn Spike Lee for not seeing it because he doesn’t approve of the material in it. I think he should see it because I believe his opinion on the content of the movie is incorrect, but I don’t accuse him of trolling because he finds black-sploitation offensive. My opinion on DMC:DMC has best been summed up by Adam Sesslar “A good action game lost in a juvenile tantrum”. Juvenile tantrum seems to be the perfect description of most anti-anti-DMC:DMC comments as well which you are doing a fantastic job providing an example for.
Also, way to completely undermine your credibility by dismissing my opinions as being the resident cave-troll. Surely you are an enlightened boy. I rarely make my attacks personal, something you certainly can not say. You, on the other hand, seem to only come to this site to troll me specifically.
Yes, I do dislike it on principle. It could be the greatest hack and slash of all time. I do not care. I will not approve or support a pointless, immature, reboot that tromps on 10 years of history because Capcom wanted more western appeal. This wasn’t some long-forgotten game that needed a reboot or some struggling brand. DMC4 came out in 2008.
Minimalizing a complex complaint to “Oh she hates it cause it’s different” just shows your willful ignorance of the situation or inability to understand a complex complaint. Why would I say it would be fine if it was a different character if I simply hated change? If I hated change I would complain about anything that wasn’t just a repeat of DMC3. Hell, if I hated change I wouldn’t have supported the game past DMC1. They aren’t giving me raspberry instead of strawberry, they’re writing “Fuck you” on my toast. Yeah, the toast and the jelly are fine, but you’re still telling me to go fuck myself.
Maybe if we want to start being taken seriously as gamers, we should stop filling our games with strippers and pointless vulgarity to appeal to the teenage pocket miners and dismissing any complaint towards games we like as haters or trolling.
Grow up.
I agree with you on a lot of what you say, and it winds me up that an obviously intelligent person such as yourself would blindly hate out of principle instead of seeing the good as well as the bad.
Think about this for one second right. I agreed that there were flaws ok, the character of Dante is a petulant little wanker, we all know this. And Ninja Theory did mock the old school fan base, But the community gave as much as they got on that one, we started the war by simply hating BEFORE any of his main character traits came to light.
How would you feel if you spent years planning and working on a project with the intention of selling it to the masses so they could enjoy it and then they start flooding you with hate mail because the protagonist now has black hair instead of white?
I was as pissed off as the rest of you with the redesign and told myself I wouldn’t spend any money on it at all, however, I sucked up my pride and played the demo and was very impressed with what I found there gameplay wise and I felt it was something that deserved to be checked out.
My point is if we just keep slamming devs for the bad and never reward them or comment on the good, how the fuck are they meant to know what we want, what we like and why we like it?
That has always been my point, it was the same with the Mass Effect 3 fiasco, yeah the ending was utter garbage but we as a community went after Bioware and EA with nothing but hatred and rage and we were damn lucky they made changes despite that.
And hey like i said on Larrys vid, you must have a short memory because our first encounter you came after me unprovoked and way more aggressive than I am towards you, a thing like that sticks with a person but I am willing, if you are to act like adults and discuss things properly from now on, bury the hatchet as it were.
The thing is buddy this is a reboot for better or for worse and I will stand by that it is a solid action hack and slash adventure despite the fact the protagonist could have been done a bit better, having standards has a part to play sure, but we should also make more of an effort to be constructive and positive when it calls for it instead of being a community who will only ever talk about the negative aspects of the things we hold dear.
The world right now is a cesspit and gaming is only now becoming more accepted in the mainstream as viable form of entertainment media up there with film and tv as far as storytelling goes. I ask you this, do we want the world to see us as a group of unenlightened moaning fools? Or do we want to show them we are better than that?
Actually, I have to agree with you KW, I liked the game, that doesn’t mean I have no criticism of the game at all, just that they’re not so drastic as to ruin my ability to enjoy the game. The main issue I see when it comes to criticism from people is that they laser-focus on the bad and NEVER discuss the good, like with ME3, the game was mechanically great and the story was good……up until that disappointing ending, but most comments on the game boil down to “ME3 SUX BECUZE TEH ENDING WAS BAD!”, just vitriol, which isn’t helpful in the slightest, I’ try to avoid controversy like this because I hate having to put up with all the blind, mindless rage people tend to have whenever controversy like this comes up.
If you want a good review that is rather critical but admits that the game is still quite good look at Angry Joe’s ME3 review.
Watch his DmC review too when it comes up on here, he nailed it once again.
I’ve said numerous time that combat itself looks decent, though lacking compared to many of DMC’s genremates including its own forefathers, and the artistic style beyond the character design is striking and interesting.
However, the game-play is not what sells me the game. For much the same reason I don’t like God of War because I don’t like Kratos, I don’t like the new Dante. Not just because he’s Not-Dante, but because he’s an amalgam of all the most obnoxious stereotypes of a western produced game protagonist. He’s dirty, he’s obnoxious, he’s perverse, he’s vulgar, he’s smug, he’s cocky, he’s kinda emo, and he looks like every other brown-haired, white guy to get featured on the box-art. The game is riddled with pointless vulgarity, obscenity, and generic grit. While visually striking, it is soulless and generic down to the plot of the game being a mish-mash of DM3, They Live, and Bush-era conspiracy theories.
If THIS is the material that is getting gaming main-stream acceptance, I’d rather it go back to being under-ground and niche. I really don’t like the idea my hobby having the same tone and fan-base as awful teen movies. DMC3 and 4 may have been campy and stupid, but at least I didn’t feel I should be playing the game with my door shut.
As far as the philosophical portion of your question pertaining to the world seeing us as moaning fools, I disagree. We are unsatisfied consumers. We are Coke drinkers after New Coke was launched. Is New Coke okay? It’s fine on its own, but we don’t like New Coke as much. And what happened when New Coke came out? People complained, people didn’t buy it, people petitioned and picketed and ranted and raved.. and this was all before the internet. You don’t see New Coke outside of a Brad Tries episode anymore, do you. And if I can’t have Coke Classic any more there’s plenty of other things I that taste just as good or better than New Coke and aren’t nearly as acidic.
Concerning Angry Joe’s review.. I agree with what he says almost 100%, but I put a deeper weight on elements past the mechanical than he or most reviewers do.
Additionally, this’ll be my last post on the topic of DMC;DMC. Been lovely debating it with people. I’ll buy it when I can get it for around $20 and can get the classic Dante skin.
“Essentially the argument against it being a good game is “but its different i don’t like it despite the fact it is a good game so therefor i will mindlessly hate it””
Not at all. Rather, the issue is that it is a reboot – a new version which is replacing what went before it. As such, it is only natural to look at the changes being made and assess whether they are a good thing, or are taking what we like and removing it.
Many find the latter to be the case – that the new designs and writing look very much like a bad change, which takes the series in a direction we do not want it to go. Indeed, which takes the series in a direction very opposed to what we liked about it before.
Now, this isn’t to say that there aren’t unreasonable people who say stupid things about the game without thinking about it or knowing what they’re talking about – this is the internet, there will always be people like that. But the overarching criticism here is perfectly rational and justified. Hell, I’m someone who hadn’t even played a single Devil May Cry game when this one was announced, but having played the entire series since then, I completely understand and agree with the thrust of the reaction to this one among longer-time fans. This reboot was unnecessary and the changes it makes appear to be taking the series away from what helped make it enjoyable before. I’m not going to support that, even if the game itself is good in spite of those changes due to the core gameplay remaining good (which appears to be the case, from everything I’m hearing second-hand and my own experience with the demo), because to do so would be to undermine whatever little chance may exist for the original series not to be superseded by this one.
That’s a reasonable position you have taken and I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with it, the criticism is totally justified as you say and I think we all pretty much loathe the new Dante.
Was a reboot unnecessary? Perhaps, however if it had been done better the fact that it is a reboot would not really be an issue at all (thought people will always find faults).
I guess what I personally would like to see in the next Devil May Cry is a complete overhaul of the characters, the dialogue and certain aspects of the combat i.e less of the colour coded enemies, a more challenging ranking system and a functional lock on. If those things are changed I think we have a great new series on our hands.
“Was a reboot unnecessary? Perhaps, however if it had been done better the fact that it is a reboot would not really be an issue at all (thought people will always find faults).”
Quite possible. I’ll readily admit there are reasons that a reboot could have been a good idea. The biggest one being Vergil. He was unceremoniously killed off in game 1 before anything about him was established, but then DMC3 came along and turned him into a fan-favorite character and a great rival for Dante. But after that there was nothing more they could do with him, since the game ended with him entering hell and trying to face Mundus, which is obviously meant to be what lead to him becoming the black knight he appeared as in DMC1.
On the flip side though, in a series where hell is a literal physical place that characters have been to, it hardly stretches belief to think that they could bring a dead character back without a reboot.
I do agree that if the reboot weren’t departing so drastically from the tone and style of the series it wouldn’t be a big problem, and there could be benefits to it, but it would still strike me as an odd choice.
I will get the game, just not at the moment, I’ll wait for a price drop or two.
Though I do hope one day to fill this dark game with LUUUUIIIIIGHT!!
“but we aren’t here to pass judgement on Capcom for its decisions–this is about one game, and its merits as an entertainment product.”
You can’t say that! Not with Capcom You obviously can’t say that. How many fucking times do we as consumers go through Capcoms shit from DLCs, glitched games and now a $60 30FPS on a console plus their reaction to fan feedback. This is no longer about whether it’s a good or bad game. this is about your right as a consumer to be not treated like a drug addict junkie or a piece of shit. What happens when Capcom decides to release games on the next consoles with 30FPS and probably have higher than a $60 price tag? what happens when they decide to release a new Mega-Man game except do the same thing this game and except fans to shut up? are they the only ones being guilty? no it’s also our fault because we as consumers should stop buying their games rather than regretting and complaining after buying their products when it’s obvious there is bound to be something bad.
Reboots aren’t really all that new. Mega Man X with Capcom anyone? Huge visual differences between Mega Man and Mega Man X. Tonally the games are a lot darker as one, X is also a lot more different than Mega Man is. And the original redesign for X was going to be Zero.
Granted there are differences in the stories. The obvious one being that Mega Man X is a much better game than this one is. But the similarities between them are there as well. Mega Man 6 just came out and there was no announcement of a Mega Man 7 at the time (And you wouldn’t have gotten anything until 1995, 2 years after the release of 1993). Of which you had 2 Mega Man X games in between releases (And X2 wasn’t as good as X was). Many would think that Mega Man X was the only Mega Man you would get now. It makes me wonder that if Mega Man X was released in this day and age of the internet would have made a similar response this game did (My guess is yes considering your response).
As for DmC, sales will say all probably. They might just go back to the original Dante design anyway. Look at the Ace Attorney series. They tried a new series with Apollo, but they gave up and went back to Phoenix Wright for the next few games.
Next few games? We don’t even know for sure if that will be the case considering that they are still working on 5, and they had been mainly focused on the Layton/Wright crossover, as well as AAI2… Which still isn’t in North America.
I’ve commented on this line of thinking a number of times, but I’m bored and my DS is charging, so I’ll do it again.
I and many others who resent this game on principle have stated numerous times that if this was a new sub-series or a new character we’d be FAR less hostile towards. Megaman X was a new series. When X was made, after 6, Megaman Classic’s story had essentially ended. Wiley was finally captured and jailed. X’s story was on a new console, far flung in to the future. X did not claim he was classic Mega, X did not nullify Mega’s existence, world, and adventures as we knew them. It was a new saga with a new guy. The whole series was going to focus on Zero but Capcom didn’t want such a drastic change. I’d like to chalk new “dante” up to this same fear of risk and change, but I just think Ninja Theory wasn’t creative enough to have an original story and character. The plot being a blatant rip-off of They Live sorta leans toward the latter.
DMC:DMC, on the other hand, says “The Dante you knew is gone, he never existed, nothing he did ever happened. This is how Dante really started out.” Unlike Megaman 6, DMC4 did not close the book on Dante and his associates. If anything, it asked A LOT of questions that were never answered and if this “new” DMC moves forward and the old one is essentially erased.
I also think that most of us could say if this was an situation like Kid Icarus where the series had been left to sit on the shelf for 20 years, yeah, a reboot would be in order. But, DMC4 had only been out 3 years before this reboot was announced. This wasn’t some long forgotten series, this was a entry you can still easily find brand new copies of with characters who were still showing up in NEW games like MVC3 and Project X Zone.
Here’s the thing though, Capcom only rebooted the series so quickly because DMC 4 was met with lackluster and negative reception from the critics and fans. They thouht they series was starting to go stale so they rebooted it to try and give fresh life into the series.
“Here’s the thing though, Capcom only rebooted the series so quickly because DMC 4 was met with lackluster and negative reception from the critics and fans.”
That is factually inaccurate. DMC4′s reviews were largely positive – it has a score in the mid-80s on review aggregation sites like metacritic. Fan reaction was mixed, but hardly universally negative – certainly nothing compared to DMC2, which continues to this day to be the series black sheep.
DCM4 was also the best selling entry in the entire series, making a reboot particularly baffling as, from a simple financial perspective, the series was doing better than ever for Capcom at that point.
“I and many others who resent this game on principle have stated numerous times that if this was a new sub-series or a new character we’d be FAR less hostile towards.”
I know I would be, by far. Hell, if this were just some spin-off, it might be a day 1 buy for me. I’d still think that the main character’s design sucked and he seemed unlikable, but hell, I can say the same things about Kratos, and I still like God of War. Good gameplay can do a lot to overcome poor storytelling or characters in an action game, and if the demo is any indication, this game does at least have that.
Instead, however, I’m actively avoiding putting any money towards this, in order to do what little I can to increase the odds of the original series returning. I’ll be giving the game a try in order to give it a fair shake, but by borrowing it from a friend who got it as a birthday gift recently, not by purchasing it, and I’m in no hurry to do even that.
Mega Man X is NOT a reboot you simpleton. The X series is its own continuity. Way to undermine your own point.
Luckily the sale figures are now out.
http://not-my-dante.deviantart.com/journal/Animal-Crossing-4-Tops-Devil-May-Cry-in-Sales-351531711
Sounds like the gameplay is actually pretty decent even if the themes, story and characters don’t really resemble some of the previous DMC’s. I have not played this game yet and don’t really plan on shelling out sixty bucks one something that is at best, decent. I kind of regret paying full price for RE6 for all its mediocrity. I’ll just wait till it goes dirt cheap and have nothing else to play at the time.
Well, everyone told us to stop judging the changes before the game came out, so I listened. Now that it’s out and I’ve seen it, can I go back to judging? I wasn’t proven wrong about anything I said – this is -not- the Dante I love; he’s even worse than DMC2.
What I personally love is that all the comments that call the game “raping our childhood” to the series gets a buttload of positive ratings, while the comments that say the game is actually pretty good, or is not much better then the rest of the game of the series gets bombarded with negative ratings.
I think it’s safe to say that I think this is the sort of website that really hates game developers trying new things with their series Good or bad.
Considering that not a single one of the comments here say anything about “raping our childhood” and both comments saying the game is good – including your own – haven’t received a single vote at the time of this posting, it looks to me more like you’re simply being dismissive of people who disagree with you.
And yet, every single of my comments on here is in the negative ratings category, even when I said that DmC is only about a 8/10 which makes it not as great as 1 and 3, I think it’s safe to say I’m pretty much right on this.
Also, when I meant “raping our childhood” I meant that many of the fans feel like Ninja Theory is destroyig their cherished franchise with this game.
“And yet, every single of my comments on here is in the negative ratings category”
When you made that post and I my reply, that was not the case. I noted that very explicitly in that reply, in fact.
“Also, when I meant “raping our childhood” I meant that many of the fans feel like Ninja Theory is destroyig their cherished franchise with this game.”
That’s because they, and Capcom, essentially are. The game has been billed as a reboot to the series, meaning it is replacing the original series, and going forward this is what Devil May Cry with be. There may be some chance that the original series will be revived in the unforeseeable future, but barring awful sales forcing Capcom to rethink the wisdom of the reboot, that certainly won’t happen any time soon.
I have to agree wth Ryuknight, as I have the PS3 version and never experienced any of these glitches.
Ive quite enjoyed the new DMC sofar. Also the ps3 version is far better then the 360 version you reviewed. Havent had any control issues or glitchs yet. DMC as a series just plays better on a ps controller. Still love the old games but ninja did a decent reboot.
I actually thought Ninja Theory did a really good job with this game, at most a 8/10 for me.
Probably the last major Controversial thing Capcom has to deal with now. At least Remember Me should not be anywhere near as controversial (Well… at this time in point, something insane has to happen for that to be the case.)
Is it fair though to say that this game is better than DmC4 though? I feel that way, this one doesn’t have the “Play through the game again” problem that game does, that’s for sure.
Also, no On Disc DLC at all. That’s a plus now, isn’t it? Angry Joe, take notes.
Well, give it a few months and maybe the DmC complaining will die down. Probably when the next Controversial game comes out. Be that either Dead Space 3 for putting another nail into the Survival Horror Coffin. Or The Walking Dead Activision Shooter game Sucking/Is Mediocre but it somehow goes and sells a stupid amount, possibly more than the Telltale game, but lets just hope that doesn’t happen, it won’t right? The Bro-Gamer Casuals aren’t THAT dumb now, are they?
“Also, no On Disc DLC at all. That’s a plus now, isn’t it? Angry Joe, take notes.”
Has that been confirmed? If so, good on them. It’d be very nice to have an example of a company actually taking criticism and making an appropriate change because of it like that.
The development process that lead DMC4 to being what it was with the “play it again backwards” and the stupid dice time-waster levels is a very interesting story if you’re curious about that sort of thing. More interesting than, “Hey can you grit this up for the round-eyes, Tameem-san?” anyway.
I’ll bite: what exactly was it that resulted in DMC4 having those baffling design decisions in the second half?
“She’s no trish or lady. Hell, she’s no Lucia.”
Ouch. I wasn’t expecting much of this game’s writing given what I saw in the trailers and demo, but comparing the new female lead negatively to Devil May Cry 2? That’s harsh.
Funny thing I’ve seen reading various comments on reviews and such of DMC:Over-compensating, people complaining about the reviews having spoilers. I sit there reading and I think to myself, “Um… I know all this stuff happened and I didn’t even play the game.” Do you know why I know all the “twists” and the outcome of the game? Cause Crapcom and Ninja Theory blew it all over the trailers and press releases. If you had even a mild interest in DMC pre-launch you knew Dante’s story, the villain, the conditions of the world, Virgil’s story and how he was going to betray you.
I still am increasingly amused by the fact that I’d have probably gotten this game if it had any other name and Ninja Theory wasn’t spitting in my face and telling me to like it from the day the game was announced. Though, the main character being a totally unlikable dick written by someone with a definition of “cool” resembling what a 13yr old suburban white kid who listens to gangster rap circa 1999 would consider cool may still be enough to put me off.
Oh, question relevant to the actual gameplay. How frequently do you run in to enemies that force you to use a certain weapon against them? It seems like a very poor design choice since part of the draw of this type of game is finding a weapon you enjoy using and getting proficient in it. Certainly sometimes you encountered situations where one may be better than others, but it was rarely compulsory outside of scripted segments. Forcing you to use one you dislike, and likely haven’t bothered leveling up due to this fact, in-order to go forward could really detract from the joy of the game if you are frequently forced to use, for example, the Arbiter weapon and you dislike slow weapons, as I do.
Well, some enemies glow either white or red, which means that you have to use either your angel or demon powers to kill them. Thing is, each mode gives you 2 weapons so you’re not stuck in using one weapon against them. You can’t use your guns while you’re in one of those modes because the gun button turns into the grapple button. Angelic weapons are faster and weaker, but good for crowd control while demonic weapons are slower, stronger and focus on single enemies.
Those enemies are not that common, you fight some every now and then, but nothing too annoying. At least on the normal difficulty.
As for other enemies that are easier to take down with other weapons, it’s true. Take shielded enemies for example. You can either try to circle around them and swing at them with whatever weapon you want, or you can break their shield with the Arbiter. But that’s in most games, some enemies are easier to kill with some weapons than with others.
That’s not as terrible as it initially sounded. Still, it seems arbitrary, needlessly convoluted and restricting. But, Ninja Theory does have this weird fascination with making you use all your weapons whether you want to or not like they’re a little kid jumping up and down that wants to show you his neat new toys.
You know it’s funny I remember at one point that I was going to give this game a chance but after catching wind of the total disrespect that Ninja Theory was doing to the DMC fanbase that was all I needed to not like it again.
What disrespect?
I’ve only heard about this second hand as well. What things did they do to disrespect the fanbase? Can you give a link or something? All I know about is the in-game trolling about Dante’s appearance, which is just ironic given that they’ve already announced normal Dante as a DLC costume.
To be honest, I’d be more inclined to call out Ninja Theory on the “disrespect” if they weren’t the bigger men in the equation.
After all the ridiculous “hate-dumb” that spewed from the “fans” of the original DMC games, Ninja Theory would have to sacrifice virgin puppies to the lust god Cubust before I even consider them as the “offending party” at this stage.
After the initial “My name is Dante!” trailer Tameem publicly stated that he thought the old games were stupid and his direction was better and cooler, that Dante was uncool and would “…get laughed out of a bar”, that Japanese games in general were dumb, and that the “fans” wanted his new “vision” of Dante and DMC even if they wouldn’t admit it.
And I’m not using the word “cool” to be brief or smug or generalize. He based this entire reboot on his idea of what is “cool” and that what the people who had been supporting the series for 4 installments didn’t know what “cool” was. Tameem’s definition of “cool”, btw, is a white guy with short, brown hair who smokes, doesn’t care about his appearance, and uses frequent vulgarity. His words, not mine.
And then there was the early publicity photos which show Dante was modeled to look almost identical to Tameem himself. He has since undergone redesigns.
And Zig, no fans are at fault here. No one was injured, no letter bombs were mailed. The potential consumers expressed their dissatisfaction, the developer, in turn, gave them the finger and is still doing it at every opportunity. Ninja Theory is not being the bigger man when they put in “easter eggs” which blatantly antagonize the former fan-base. They’re still poking the bear.
Don’t forget that classic Dante has already been announced as DLC! Totally not hypocritical.
Do you have a link to those articles where he says that? I do vaguely remeber reading something to that effect before. Biting the hanf that feeds you seems to be a recurring problem this game.
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What I personally love is that all the comments that call the game “raping our childhood” to the series gets a buttload of positive ratings, while the comments that say the game is actually pretty good, or is not much better then the rest of the game of the series gets bombarded with negative ratings.
I think it’s safe to say that I think this is the sort of website that really hates game developers trying new things with their series
Good or bad.
Uber fans just love to talk about this or that “raping our childhood.” It’s funny, especially since I get the feeling that besides DMC 1 and 3, most hardcore fans don’t like much of the series.
I’ve heard that people hate 4, which I had no problem with. So I don’t know how this game is ruining anything for DMC fans. If it was a direct sequel, and it stunk, I would understand a little. This is a reboot though. If you don’t want to play, it’s a good excuse to not play.
I’ve only played the demo, but the gameplay feels like any other DMC I’ve played.
If I were to make to make a suggestion, if your planning on getting the game, I’d suggest the PS3 version, I heard there are a lot of glitches on the 360 version that hamper the experience.
If you want a version that doesn’t ruin your experience, then you might want the PC version, which is said to run at ridiculous FPS.
Except for the fact that Ninja Theory did nothing new or different I haven’t seen before in many other video games before it. In fact the entire story is ripped off of the movie They Live. Very original there. Doing something different just for the sake of it doe not always mean that it is for the better.
If hardcore fan did not like the series at all, then would there there any massive outcry in the first place?
You don’t know how this game ruins Devil May Cry? You should read these links and learn.
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7840/whydmcsucks1.jpg
http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7467/whydmcsucks2.jpg
Reboots do not throw away all established canon to the trash and trample all over the characters,plot, and all that what a series enjoyable.
But most of all, anyone who bitches about ratings should grow the fuck up. Maybe there is a very good reason for this to be occurring.
(Oh, never mind. Dante was included as a character in SMT. I see why you got turned onto it; didn’t read that.)
So, please tell me, FROM YOUR OWN GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE, why the new DMC sucks.
Read the links I provided. It already talks about the gameplay. My gameplay experience would be no different and I am someone who has played all four games. You’re just looking for any means to defend this trash.
No, it’s not simply me defending the game. I find fault with someone who’s not actually played a game. I’d do it for any game. If I never played ANY DMC game, and I said crap about it because I read some reviews on it, would you value my comments? Let me answer that for you: NO. You would flip a table and tell me how I should give it a chance and play it.
I already explained why that is a moot point numerous times but you cant seem to grasp that for some asinine reason.
I also have shown links explaining in full details why.
There are a lot of people STILL crapping on Devil May Cry despite not having played any of the original four games so spare me that crap as proven by the biased reviewers here and on numerous gaming sites.
Let me try a different tactic. If you know damn well that a supermarket has a terrible reputation and has the worst reception would you want to buy or try any of their products? Probably not.
Look I only give games a chance when they deserve it. If for whatever reason they blow it kind of like how in the dating world you fucked up badly,you do not deserve a second time.
A decent analogy, but buying food at an untrustworthy supermarket could actually be bad for your health, and unlike the ratings of video games, the ratings for places that sell food aren’t subjective.
I asked you: did you play the demo? No answer. There is no cost to you, you get to criticize the CRAP out of it after you played it, and I could have some conversation about the gameplay with you based on your actual experience.
I feel like that’s not going to happen, though. You will just restate things with different words. You’re stubborn. I get it.
You refuse to play this game in any form, but why do you persist in even discussing it? The ship has sailed. The game was not a financial failure, so there will be a sequel. Original Dante is not coming back. The creator may create new games in a similar style, but not any more Devil May Cry.
My point is there is a general consensus among gamers when it comes to certain titles.
“The game was not a financial failure, so there will be a sequel”
Are you high? I would like to know what drugs you are on and where can I get some? Of course it was a failure.
http://not-my-dante.deviantart.com/journal/Crapcom-Slashes-DmC-Expectations-352419311
Yeah I would consider that a massive failure.
Why do you persist in answering me back? Do you not have anything better to do?
I’m not going to go away until you do so first.
Dante is still going to be used judging by his inclusion in Project X Zone. I doubt that this will be the last time he will be seeing him.
I think will be a sequel. I’m not within Capcom, so I can’t guarantee that it will happen (it’s a long road to getting on store shelves), but what I do know is that the Dante we knew before this is gone.
I’m not going to do the “I get the last word” thing. I don’t need to feed my ego. I am happy with myself. Enjoy your “win” over me, or whatever you’d like to imagine me not responding is. I guess this is how you usually “win” arguments? That’s cute, like how preteens win arguments with their friends.
The reason I continued this is because you are a marvel. It is rare that I actually get into a conversation with someone so obsessed with a game you have had no personal experience with. It has been quite fascinating, but you will hear no more from me on this page. It’s exhausting to talk to you.
For the most part,if a game gets such a poor reception AND sells this badly this is no way in hell it would get a sequel. You are clearly quite delusional. Hell even games such as Beyond Good and Evi,Shenmue, Eternal Darkness and Psychonauts that are well beloved and been rightfully so praised don’t get sequels.
Good now keep your word and I will keep mine in stopping this pointless charade.
Larry if you played the previous DMC, say they are more difficult than this and say you’ve button mashed through them. I’m sorry but you’re really being a hypocrite. DMC are meant to be hard no different than how Ninja Gaiden Sigma games are designed hard. Do you know why DMC2 was reviewed as a bad game? because it was TOO EASY you could simply shoot your way to beating the game! Also saying to your viewers they shouldn’t be upset about the hair color yet you overlooked the things you mentioned about the game’s features which are the real reasons why people are upset about it. i’m not bashing against you because of your opinion but you because you acted like didn’t know anything about DMC.
You’ve never played DMC 3 in Turbo mode have you? *Tisk* *tisk* *tisk* I’m sorry but this game is just too stupid for my taste and that it brings nothing new to the series except having a wanker scumbag of a character replacing such an icon of the series. You say it’s run down and tired I say they kept adding new things to the games mechanics. DMC 1 introduction to new sub genre “Extreme Combat”, DMC 2 wall running and move sets and weapons along with another character to play as, DMC 3 introduction to the Style System to the combination to which ever weapon your using and introduction to turbo mode along with Taunts, DMC 4 on the fly style switching with more combinations. Now where is all that? Oh, the weapons feel more powerful? Huh maybe that or that this punk is to scrawny to hold something bigger than his dick size. No Turbo, No Difficulty, No Styles, Less and Limited Combos, Guns are Useless, Bad Framerate, Shitty Platforming Segments, No Lock On (But we can have two dodge buttons), The Style System is fucking Broken, Terrible and Cringe Worthy Dialog, and characters that are as fleshed out and interesting to look at as stale piss in a bottle that was left out in the sun on a summer afternoon for about a week.
It has good things to it though like… like… alright the games shit, as shitty as a literal pile of shit. Shit Jokes, shit acting, shit and dumbed down dick holding mechanics for $60 of my hard earn cash along with “future” DLC (which I bet is on disc) that can give me more cringe worthy scenes and more regret for buying it(As if you did in the first place).
P.S.
I also give a big FUCK YOU to the ending of the game because I called it out as soon as Vergil was announced and that the game is just a waste of time. Seriously don’t buy it, just get it when its in the bargain bin next to Sonic 06 for about $10 if you need too.
Really? Your saying DMC 2? The game that almost killed the series and is labelled one of the worst sequels of all time by GT is better then DmC: Devil May Cry? XD
Yes that is exactly what I was saying, you got to remember Devil May Cry hasn’t establish it’s self fully yet as a franchise. Now that Devil May Cry is establish at what game it is this DmC has no reason. Not to mention that it got better scores and sales than this garbage. It is also NOT the worst sequel ever made the only reason why it is said to be the worst is because it wasn’t a dedicated sequel to the last game not because of the game play or difficulty, because Devil May Cry was a new IP. Now where is the new DmCs excuse to take out everything that made the games good and better then they originally where like Turbo Mode? Hell DMC 2 has more weapons. You can defend the game all you want but I’m just putting out the FACTS and truths. They also knew how to treat there fan properly by giving out surveys from the first game on how to make the second game better while Ninja Theory makes poor attempts of trolling and recording farts. I have the facts and proof what about you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLTrt-kjQwU&list=UUU64AfivgQUOPuIJ8N5YaCA&index=17
http://www.gamesradar.com/dmc-contains-sampled-human-farts-capcom-drew-line-old-womens-nipples/
Devil May Cry hasn’t [established] itself fully as a franchise yet? It’s had 4 games, an anime, inspired games like Bayonetta, and had an anime. That is not a franchise?
Maybe I am not understanding you.
I was talking about DMC 2, by then it didn’t have an anime or two other games, thus it was not an established franchise meaning that is didn’t have an establish sense of direction.
Then, comicgeek200, you would have to use the word “hadn’t” and not “hasn’t” because it makes your statement confusing.
I still do not agree with your assumption, because with one game, Devil May Cry established something: a good game. Coming with a lesser sequel should not have a “we’re working this out” excuse. You can try out new mechanics and whatnot, but over the years, Devil May Cry 2 has been almost universally panned. It took a huge nose dive critically and with fans.
DMC 3 had to swoop in and make up for all that.
Oh,Rly? That’s not what the fans are saying…
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-2/devil-may-cry-2
http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-3/dmc-devil-may-cry
DMC 2 has its reason it was the a sequel to a new first of its kind I.P. of the sub genre “Extreme Combat” but this “New” and “Edgy” “Devil May Cry” has nothing but dumbed down mechanics, less weapons and enemies, a broken style meter, lack of a target button and bad frame rate then the “Most panned sequel/game” so going by your logic DmC is now the worst of the franchise. Oh also you might want to be careful with those reviews you watch…
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/428255_10151174659266783_1170207968_n.jpg
And don’t give this the whole but this is Ninja Theorys take on the franchise argument because that faggot wanker Tam Tam said that this would be the BEST Devil May Cry game so shouldn’t it be better then DMC 3 by adding and fixing things instead of removing them and making it worse?
http://imageshack.us/f/841/tameeminterview5.jpg/
Now let us see how “well” the game is selling, shall we?
Whoa it’s not looking so good pal and DMC 4 had some really low sales…
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-21-uk-chart-dmc-devil-may-cry-horns-its-way-to-top-spot
You might as well stop here man I got links upon links of proof on Ninja Theory and Capcoms bullshit about this game. I guess I’m done here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5QGkOGZubQ
Or you could the more sensible thing and accept defeat therefore stop responding back to me. Now who’s the bigger fool? You’re right about one thing though. I am done with you.
I am spectator that knows what he is talking about even if I can’t always play every video games.
Let me leave you this little nugget. Just because a person plays a game doesn’t always mean that they know what the fuck they are talking about or that their opinion should be taken seriously if s/he cannot explain it properly.
‘Accept defeat”? Do you think you’re in a video game? I am fine with having a discussion, or even an argument, but I am not interested in “winning” an argument.
You write in plain English. I speak English. Please, never in your life think that the point you’re getting across if above my head. I just disagree with a lot of it, and I think that you have refused to hear me out on some things I have said, which is why you choose to continue and repeat yourself. Don’t point me to some link again. I’ll see you around, I guess.
“I think that you have refused to hear me out on some things I have said”
You didn’t say anything of merit so would should I?
“Don’t point me to some link again”
Then stop talking to me.
Yes, I looked at Metacritic when I decided to compare the two. I’ve also read a lot of the DmC related news. I’m a gamer.
Not that I dismiss the opinions of the average gamer (there’s not much of a disagreement between the user and critic scores on that site for DMC 2, BTW )
I was willing to discuss with you further, but now how should I even continue with you because you’re just devolving into calling people (who you nor I have never met) names. Maybe that goes over like gangbusters in Xbox voice chat, but to me that signifies to me that you’re angry, not looking to share your POV, that DMC 2 is a lot better than it got credit for, and DmC is a failed project.
I’ve become a very late adopter, so I will not be playing DmC for a while, but what I have played and seen of it- at least when it comes to beating the crap out of demons- is Devil May Cry to me. I know people have much (negative) to say about the story, but some have said they love it. I’ll have to just shrug my shoulders until I play it, because I don’t have much to say either way about a game until I play it.
I’m not here to win an argument, as you seem to be. I would like to have a discussion.
You know it doesn’t hurt to admit that you are wrong.
DmC has as much to do with Devil May Cry as Bomberman Act Zero to Bomberman.
Comicgeek200 has backed up his/her arguments and you on the other hand have not.
And hoodedwanderer GT doesn’t know shit. I can think of a lot worse sequels that damaged their respective series than DMC2. It was new at the time ala Zelda on the NES. Therefore there were no set rules and expectations at the time.
Plus without DMC2,I would not have gotten into the Shin Megami Tensei series (excluding Persona) if Dante was not included in Nocturne.
At least it has that going for it.
Huh? What am I “wrong” about?
Of course DMC doesn’t have to do with Devil May Cry. It’s a reboot, with a new look. It’s a different take on the fiction. I never argued that it was tied in directly to the previous games.
Comicgeek200 played the game- and you did not, of your own admission.
What does DMC 2 have to do with Shin Megami Tensei? I don’t know about you, but I got into that because I liked RPGs and felt like giving a SMT game a shot.
So because DMC2 introduced you to SMT, that means it gets a pass, or you give it a higher rating? What are you saying here? Just because you can think of worse sequels than DMC2 doesn’t absolve it of being a poor sequel.
What does DMC 2 have to do with Shin Megami Tensei? SMT outside of the Persona series is not exactly a franchise that is well known in the United States. Dante’s cameo in my opinion helped Nocturne get noticed. I’m not saying that Nocturne would have sucked without Dante,but cameos or guest appearances can help get an unknown series more fans.
Your pointless discussion with comicgeek200 and now with me. Why you felt the need to argue with him is beyond me.
What diffidence does it make that comicgeek200 played it and I have not.
The way I see it he did me and everyone else a favor by saving me a money and time.
By your asinine logic should I have to see a Uwe Bowl movie to know he can’t make a movie worth a damn.
Did you miss the part about me saying that it was new at the time and like Zelda there was no set guidelines.
I’m not completely dismissing DMC2 as a disappointment but it at least brought ideas that the later two games used well. I can’t think of any poor sequels off the top of my head that also did the same thing.
Well as a totally objective and fair outside observer, clearly I was wrong and I should find zero fault with anything anyone had to say about this game.
Oh, wait. That’s right, you’re not an objective observer. In fact, what we’re talking about is subjectivity. When it gets down to it, we’re talking about is a difference of opinion. Some people like this game (even love it) while others hate it. That’s life!
I don’t care that you don’t want to play the game. However, the fact that you did not play the game means that all you can do is be a spectator, someone on the sidelines. So unless you have a gameplay experience you would like to share which informs me as to what you don’t like about the game, then I don’t need to talk to you further. If I want a review, I’ll go read and watch tons of reviews from people who played the game. I don’t need you to parrot them to me or link me to reviews.
At this point, I’m responding to you because you’re responding to me. You make a point I don’t agree with, and I will continue. You can end this right now. The ball’s in your court, because this thread died down a bit before you started responding again.
Or you can just restate that you don’t like this game, over and over and over again. Maybe just leave my name out of it. Have the conversation with yourself.
My thoughts can’t be summed up in one long post, so here’s 12 page article detailing my thoughts on this insult brought to us by Ninja Theory and Capcom:
http://finalcrosmaycry.wordpress.com/2013/01/16/backseat-reviews-dmc-2013/
Well, it seems from your review DMC hasn’t really lost its identity as I feared (while I got over the new look quickly once it was announced it’s a different universe, I was worried the reboot might become generic) so I’ll probably pick this up in a month or two. I’d get it sooner, but I have my monthly gaming money set aside already for Ni no Kuni and Fire Emblem (and whatever preorder comes up from Mangagamer since a few of their upcoming releases are either in scripting or entering testing).
I’m sure if you wait till March, you’ll be able to get pick it up for probably about $30. Why do I predict this? Cause people who have been fans of DMC up till now don’t want it and people who just want a good hack and slash are waiting for God of War Ascension and/or MGR:R. I’d say its a pretty safe bet that DMC;DMC will be the main game traded in for either of what I mentioned.
Also, there’s about a 50/50 split of costumer reviews out there from people who, unlike me, don’t hate the game principle and were willing to give it a chance and are very displeased with the combat. I imagine it’ll be filling used-racks pretty full in a hurry.
May be a bit after March after all since just my luck, Atelier Ayesha comes out in March.
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/01/15/atelier-ayesha-coming-to-u-s-on-march-5-from-tecmo-koei-localized-by-nis-america/
Yeah I just put in my pre-order last night x.x. March and February are going to be pretty abusive to my wallet.
With Pandora’s Tower coming out sometime in the spring, I don’t think April is going to be any kinder ;_;
You really don’t know how fandom works do you?
HUh? What does that even mean?
“Button masher” implies mindless gameplay and a lack of required skill and that certainly wasn’t true of DMC1, at least not on Normal and up. If you played it on Easy mode you didn’t play DMC1 at all…if you never faced 3 Shadows simultaneously, you never played DMC1 at all. Its hook was that it required such precision, awareness (in spite of the restrictive camera) and deliberate actions (i.e. not button mashing) from the player that were not seen in a 3D action game up to that point, you take that away, you’ve rid it of its identity. Might as well be an arcade beat-’em-up.
Or DMC3 on very hard or in DMD mode… hardly “button masher” on those diffuculties
And of yeah,i forgot to mention, nearly every mission has pointless platforming…
So it’s kind of like DMC then? I hated the platforming in three and loathed it in one. What’s that? It’s different because you love those games? Nope.
3rd one had platforming(and first one and fourth one),true. But very little to compared to this and only mission17(3rd one) had platforming that was only in mission to extend mission’s clear time. In DmC:Devil May Cry, if there wouldnt be platforming, every mission that has it(18 out of 20),would last 5minutes or less, as said previously, combat doesnt offer any challenge…(second one didnt happen, neither did this one)
I just beated this and it was horrible,downright insulting to me. Even if it wouldnt be called DmC, it would just “meh” or average rating would max 6.5/10 if i would be nice, but for its name i give it 4/10. Reboot or not, there was no reason to butcher story and gameplay from original(dmc2 aside) games. Gameplay was too easy, offered no challenge at all in nephilim(i quess it means “hard”) difficulty, Angel weapons barely did damage, while demon weapons were way too powerful. Story even in its own was uninteresting and standard good vs evil. Not in good way, “limbo” was total rip-off of “purgitory” from bayonetta, bosses was way too easy. Now the biggest question is will i torture myself to get all achievements or not.
So you haven’t played it at the harder difficulties? Tsk tsk
Butchering story, nah…I’m sorry, what I remember from the stories in Devil May Cry were horrible, DMC 3 is the only good game in the series, and this reboot is waayy better than 1,2, and 4.
If you like this game,good for you i will never take it away for you. Nephilim was hardest difficulty what you can pick right of start. Difference is, DMC1 and DMC3 was challenging even normal if you played it first time or even second time when trying to get S rank from missions. This wasnt, in fact lowest rank what i got was A for mission rest was either SS, S, SSS
saying the reboot story is better than 1 & 4 is like saying kristen Stewart is a better actor than Arnold Schwarzenegger. Sure DMC stories aren’t good but they were bad in a cheesy way in the same sense of Arnold films are bad but entertainingly bad. This is just plain bad.
Yep, DMC stories may have been peper-thin, but there were fun and characters were interesting and again,fun. This one has peper thin story,with stupid social commentary, hateful characters(NOT JUST BECAUSE LOOKS) and boring characters.
It got more platforming? Then I skip it. I hate platforming and puzzles stuck into my beat them ups.
So its currently just looking like a very “meh” type of game.
If that what the overall consensus is for this title, then its not like I pre-ordered the game or had plans to buy it soon.
So it’s a pointless reboot that adds nothing of value and produced a generic action game that’s desperately over-compensating for its small penis by forcing in gritty bullshit. So, congrats DMC:DMC, you are The Amazing Spiderman of video games.
Really just goes to support my stance all along that if this was it’s own game instead of them trying to exploit an existing brand, it would have been fine.
It’s almost depressing that they completely nuked everything about the Devil May Cry characters, history, and world and didn’t even produce something spectacular one way or the other. But, this is Ninja Theory, “Mediocre” is their middle name.
I was going to complain that this review was not positive or negative, but then I realized that pretty much sums it up. It is very much middle of the road and bland. Not good but not awful. Just very much middle of the road average. The worst part about this game is the annoying teen angst this game is set on. It just is annoying and really takes away from what is actually good from this game.
Indeed, its hard to talk about a game that’s “average” once you take away all the controversy of it being a reboot etc.
I’d much gladly review a bad game a y day of the week as at least there’s something to talk about. Also bad games are more fun
Was anyone going to bring up the whole Kung Fu Chaos thing? Did anyone know? Show of hands?
I brought it up to cover my bases really, I’ve had a few people find out all manner of stuff about my career history, especially my art career, so I wanted it put in the open so I couldn’t be accused of being a fanboy etc.
OK, I getcha.
I LOL’ed hard when they faux-troll commentator on Youtube called you a “foggot”.
Lol, yeah, that’s Habermann, the guy who used to run Metokur and did the Fustilarian films commentary videos on youTube. He also made the Columbine first person shooter to troll Jack Thompson.
I thought it was quite funny