Comments on: Heart of Gaming: Miserablist http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/06/hog68/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=hog68 Tue, 18 Jun 2013 22:55:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: FeatherOfLead http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/06/hog68/#comment-155740 FeatherOfLead Wed, 27 Jun 2012 03:38:22 +0000 http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/?p=97062#comment-155740 Persona 4's protagonist appears to be a teenage boy. I'm willing to be corrected on that point. I like bishis, too. It's not worth putting up with Aerith and Tifa and their sisterhood for x number of hours to play with them, though. Persona 4′s protagonist appears to be a teenage boy. I’m willing to be corrected on that point.

I like bishis, too. It’s not worth putting up with Aerith and Tifa and their sisterhood for x number of hours to play with them, though.

]]> By: Xirbtt http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/06/hog68/#comment-154923 Xirbtt Fri, 22 Jun 2012 03:18:10 +0000 http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/?p=97062#comment-154923 Persona 4. Your argument is invalid. Also JRPGs are really popular with girls. Do I really have to explain why? http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/cit_ouran_high_bishonen.jpg Persona 4. Your argument is invalid.

Also JRPGs are really popular with girls. Do I really have to explain why? http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/cit_ouran_high_bishonen.jpg

]]> By: FeatherOfLead http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/06/hog68/#comment-154878 FeatherOfLead Thu, 21 Jun 2012 22:19:37 +0000 http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/?p=97062#comment-154878 Western RPGs are especially popular with female gamers like your humble obedient. I think this is largely because many of us like RPGs for the roleplaying aspect; that is, we want to strongly identify with the character we're playing. Female JRPG protagonists seem to a Western female to be weak, shrill, and annoying. Any power they're given in the game mechanics must be offset by shy body language or squeaky temper tantrums. Don't even start me on their clothes. In contrast, Western RPGs allow me to invent my own character of either gender, choose their outfits, and choose their response to a given situation; if I want to identify with a female, I can be Shepard or the Dovakiin. I'm not forced into the Pretty Swooning Sparkle Magic role. Western RPGs are especially popular with female gamers like your humble obedient. I think this is largely because many of us like RPGs for the roleplaying aspect; that is, we want to strongly identify with the character we’re playing.

Female JRPG protagonists seem to a Western female to be weak, shrill, and annoying. Any power they’re given in the game mechanics must be offset by shy body language or squeaky temper tantrums. Don’t even start me on their clothes.

In contrast, Western RPGs allow me to invent my own character of either gender, choose their outfits, and choose their response to a given situation; if I want to identify with a female, I can be Shepard or the Dovakiin. I’m not forced into the Pretty Swooning Sparkle Magic role.

]]> By: Sonicz3r0 http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/06/hog68/#comment-154446 Sonicz3r0 Tue, 19 Jun 2012 22:32:02 +0000 http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/?p=97062#comment-154446 The audio in this video sounds kinda bad. The gaming industry is going to make whatever is making the most money. When FF7 was so popular they produced so many JRPGs. Now the JRPGs are losing it's apeal people are turning away from them. Today people just want simple games which is sad. That is why we have a ton of FPS. The audio in this video sounds kinda bad.

The gaming industry is going to make whatever is making the most money. When FF7 was so popular they produced so many JRPGs. Now the JRPGs are losing it’s apeal people are turning away from them.

Today people just want simple games which is sad. That is why we have a ton of FPS.

]]> By: Xirbtt http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/06/hog68/#comment-154407 Xirbtt Tue, 19 Jun 2012 18:47:42 +0000 http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/?p=97062#comment-154407 I think what you may like is called Dragon Quest 9 Sentinels of the Starry Skies. It's pretty awesome. Oh and my above comment, yeah I was making fun of western RPGs but I like them too. :) I think what you may like is called Dragon Quest 9 Sentinels of the Starry Skies.

It’s pretty awesome.

Oh and my above comment, yeah I was making fun of western RPGs but I like them too. :)

]]> By: aozgolo http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/06/hog68/#comment-154401 aozgolo Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:39:02 +0000 http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/?p=97062#comment-154401 This is where I think a good compromise between JRPGs and Western could be made, granted I don't want the JRPG style of "nothing you wear changes your character model unless it's a fanservice-y female outfit" but I like how much face-time and character development is given to JRPG protagonists, if we could have more of this in a game that gives you total customization over a character, then I would be happy. I'd also like to see character creation become something more than just visuals, why not choose a personality type? So you can play through a game as either a badass with a dark past, or as your typical emo prettyboy common to JRPGs, I think creating a character should involve more than just your face. This is where I think a good compromise between JRPGs and Western could be made, granted I don’t want the JRPG style of “nothing you wear changes your character model unless it’s a fanservice-y female outfit” but I like how much face-time and character development is given to JRPG protagonists, if we could have more of this in a game that gives you total customization over a character, then I would be happy. I’d also like to see character creation become something more than just visuals, why not choose a personality type? So you can play through a game as either a badass with a dark past, or as your typical emo prettyboy common to JRPGs, I think creating a character should involve more than just your face.

]]> By: aozgolo http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/06/hog68/#comment-154400 aozgolo Tue, 19 Jun 2012 17:33:37 +0000 http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/?p=97062#comment-154400 just to add, I know you said you didn't like portables, but the thing is we've gone away from the days of the first Gameboy, there is a narrowing gap, as I mentioned all current portables can be hooked into a TV with a cheap (less than 5$) attachment that turns your portable gaming console into a controller. As for the RPGs, I am a fan of both western and JRPGs but I feel they both suffer the same problems, lack of GOOD narrative, it's a bit unfair to say Western RPGs lack story, most of them have one, but just like JRPGs, few are good, they all recycle the same old "Kill the big bad, save the world" mantra, with rarely a twist thrown in, all double-crosses are seen right from the character introductions and any dark secret pasts are readily evident by the lack of backstory. Western RPGs are good in that they offer variety for your replays, you never play an Elder Scrolls game the same way, where-as JRPGs have some of the most exotic and impressive locations and creatures, I am still blown away by Final Fantasy XII's locations. What I would truly like to see is a dissolving between the differences and see a game that truly blends both Japanese and Western RPG concepts together, I've seen some slight headway in this direction with western RPGs taking on anime-esque visuals (Kingdoms of Amalur) and with JRPGs going for a more open ended approach with tons of sidequests (Dragon Quest IX) but we're a long way off. just to add, I know you said you didn’t like portables, but the thing is we’ve gone away from the days of the first Gameboy, there is a narrowing gap, as I mentioned all current portables can be hooked into a TV with a cheap (less than 5$) attachment that turns your portable gaming console into a controller.

As for the RPGs, I am a fan of both western and JRPGs but I feel they both suffer the same problems, lack of GOOD narrative, it’s a bit unfair to say Western RPGs lack story, most of them have one, but just like JRPGs, few are good, they all recycle the same old “Kill the big bad, save the world” mantra, with rarely a twist thrown in, all double-crosses are seen right from the character introductions and any dark secret pasts are readily evident by the lack of backstory. Western RPGs are good in that they offer variety for your replays, you never play an Elder Scrolls game the same way, where-as JRPGs have some of the most exotic and impressive locations and creatures, I am still blown away by Final Fantasy XII’s locations. What I would truly like to see is a dissolving between the differences and see a game that truly blends both Japanese and Western RPG concepts together, I’ve seen some slight headway in this direction with western RPGs taking on anime-esque visuals (Kingdoms of Amalur) and with JRPGs going for a more open ended approach with tons of sidequests (Dragon Quest IX) but we’re a long way off.

]]> By: aozgolo http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/06/hog68/#comment-154388 aozgolo Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:54:04 +0000 http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/?p=97062#comment-154388 In response to your question of "where are all the JRPGs", the answer is in the portable gaming arena. If you check out the library for Nintendo DS and Playstation Portable you will find a HUGE amount of JRPGs, both continuing franchises and completely new franchises. Final Fantasy & Dragon Quest both have high quality remakes on these systems as well as new entries into their line-up. Some may scoff at the concept of portable gaming, but it's not really that much different, you can even buy A/V cables should you wish to hook up these systems to a TV and play them. Oh and as for the DS, most of the JRPGs on them don't have funky stylus driven gameplay, so you can enjoy them with a good old-fashioned controller. Part of the big reason I've not gone over to the 3DS or Vita yet is because all the big launch titles are dumbed down entries from PS3/Nintendo franchises, and not high quality RPGs. In response to your question of “where are all the JRPGs”, the answer is in the portable gaming arena. If you check out the library for Nintendo DS and Playstation Portable you will find a HUGE amount of JRPGs, both continuing franchises and completely new franchises. Final Fantasy & Dragon Quest both have high quality remakes on these systems as well as new entries into their line-up. Some may scoff at the concept of portable gaming, but it’s not really that much different, you can even buy A/V cables should you wish to hook up these systems to a TV and play them. Oh and as for the DS, most of the JRPGs on them don’t have funky stylus driven gameplay, so you can enjoy them with a good old-fashioned controller. Part of the big reason I’ve not gone over to the 3DS or Vita yet is because all the big launch titles are dumbed down entries from PS3/Nintendo franchises, and not high quality RPGs.

]]> By: Grifynheart http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/06/hog68/#comment-154353 Grifynheart Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:27:21 +0000 http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/?p=97062#comment-154353 Humm... I don't know... it would seem that Puzzle games can be interpreted in a wide variety of ways. Which means Leon is right, the more there are the less confusing it will be to properly distinguish them. The problem is that such games usually fall into bargain bins or are labelled "Shovelware". I'm sure you guys know a lot of games like that that don't deserve that title. Humm… I don’t know… it would seem that Puzzle games can be interpreted in a wide variety of ways.
Which means Leon is right, the more there are the less confusing it will be to properly distinguish them. The problem is that such games usually fall into bargain bins or are labelled “Shovelware”. I’m sure you guys know a lot of games like that that don’t deserve that title.

]]> By: cannedfury http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2012/06/hog68/#comment-154352 cannedfury Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:17:13 +0000 http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/?p=97062#comment-154352 Hey, we should appreciate cultural standards because they're hilarious. Like how we love games with the freedom to slaughter and plunder NPCs. But jailbait? That's when we're like, "All we did was sneak into homes stabbing townspeople in their sleep for innocent, clean fun. Then those disgusting perverts did the unthinkable and oggled at an underage girl! I will not tolerate such rampant depravity, good day sir!" and drive off on a stolen car running over 20 cops. Fictional morality should never stop being that funny. Hey, we should appreciate cultural standards because they’re hilarious. Like how we love games with the freedom to slaughter and plunder NPCs. But jailbait? That’s when we’re like, “All we did was sneak into homes stabbing townspeople in their sleep for innocent, clean fun. Then those disgusting perverts did the unthinkable and oggled at an underage girl! I will not tolerate such rampant depravity, good day sir!” and drive off on a stolen car running over 20 cops. Fictional morality should never stop being that funny.

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