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Posted By AngryJoe about 1 year, 4 months ago
SOPA Opposition Scoring Victories, Fight Continues!
Angry Joe has a show update with details on the recent victories by opposition groups against SOPA! What does this mean for the future of the bill and the internet? Find out!
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Just thought you should know Joe, wrote to my representative Norm Dicks a couple of months back and I just got a reply in my inbox. He tells me he will not be supporting the bill as it is written, and until he is sure it will not undermine fair use.
So you’ll be pleased to know that at least one rep from the state of Washington will not be backing the bill as it is currently written.
it is a step in the right direction, but that is all…
Just as a point of awareness. There’s a small movement going on from game designers about SOPA. The ESA (Entertainment Software Association) is backing the SOPA bill. ESA also runs E3. A group of game designers and show producers are calling for a boycott of E3 as long as the ESA is backing the SOPA bill.
Ah wonderful. I never really cared that much for E3.
I’d gladly support a boycott.
I just heard they delayed it till next month.
If this is true, I figure they won’t stop till it passes in some form.
just one more victory in this war for the freedom of the internet!!, let’s keep going people!!
this is a damn good thing but there is one more thing that needs to be done. the ESA ( the Electronic Software association ) has placed its support to SOPA. the ESA is “supposed” to represent us, the gaming community. at this point that still is left to be seen. The ESA is the Host of E3 ( the Electronic Entertainment Expo) and makes the bulk of it funding with it. if the
If the ESA refuses to pull its support from SOPA then It would I and many others are calling for a boycott of the E3 for 2012. yes it sucks and yes its not fun but its necessary
for more info please whatch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU5mt46-nQc&feature=g-all-u&context=G2c4ed94
Please guys this is nessisary for all of us. and angry Joe please don’t cover or attend E3 this year. we have to fully kill SOPA
Eh, E3 hasn’t been good since 2006 anyway.
I am a Republican myself but I can’t support any rubs that support this bill. I’m glad the DNS is being taken out and glad Obama is not supporting it. Got to give it him he has been saying he wasn’t against it. I wrote to my congressmen. Told them my worries about DNS. .
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/115303-SOPA-Storms-Back
So is SOPA back again?
THOU SHALL NOT PASS
Obama didn’t explicitly condemn SOPA: this is the trick with modern political jargon. Pragmatist poiticians don’t officially commit themselves to sides until they see which side will garner them the most votes… in this case, Obama never said, “I will not support PIPA, I will not support SOPA.”
Wishful thinking, but if you continue fighting any and all harmful provisions in this bill, it may become reality: all the fickle, cowardly politicians in Washington will firmly side with you if you politically pressure them against violating your individual rights.
But so far, so good.
I know people have already said this, but we really REALLY need to stay vigilante. We should under no circumstances let our guard down. This is far FAR from over. We need to keep pushing this issue….make sure SOPA and PIPA are rendered completely useless if not completely dead. So PLEASE please don’t celebrate yet…keep fighting everyone!
[quote=Zelix]Or maybe I am proven wrong and both SOPA and PIPA are buried because by the grace of out gold allmighty, the government DOES indeed have a few brain cells that have adapted to the Digial age.[/quote]
It’s not a matter of the government “Adapting to the Digital Age.” Government and military have technology far more advanced than what we civilians have to play with.
It’s a matter of whether government/military want to allow us to have more sophisticated technology to play with. The more power (social/political/technological) that we civilians have, the more the government/military see us as a threat to their own power/authority.
[quote=Pharmmajor]Not to rain on your parade, Joe, but given how much Obama has gone back on his word in the past (Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, ect,), don’t celebrate just yet. Also, even if he does oppose SOPA, this doesn’t excuse his many other Bush-like blunders.[/quote]
I, too, find it just a bit alarming that Joe kind of wrote off the fact that Obama actually passed that NDAA Military Detention bill; he mentioned it, but kind of dismissed its importance at the same time; that’s just the way it sounded to me, almost as if he’s saying there’s absolutely nothing we can do about it.
To counter what you have to say about Ex-President Bush, his handling of the war in Iraq could’ve definitely been better (like not wasting shittons of taxpayer dollars chasing after nothing), but when someone attacks you on your own soil (9/11) you don’t just sit back and take it, either. Besides, Bush never tried to enact martial law.
It’s a step in the right direction, but the fight isn’t over just yet. SOPA and PIPA are on the ropes, so now we need to go for the kill!
Good luck on your journey to Paradox convention! Maybe you could provide a link to a livestream video through Blistered Thumbs? Paradox is probably going to be broadcasting at least some parts of the event live. Here’s a link to the live stream page at Paradox’s website:
http://www.paradoxplaza.com/events/live
It may have been said already, but PLEASE be aware that this isn’t over yet. SOPA is just SHELVED. It’ll most likely be brought back and passed quietly once the hubub dies down. This means it still needs to be pushed into being SCRAPPED! Moreover, PIPA is still out there, and it is, more or less, the same as SOPA, except proposed by the Senate instead of Congress.
This is a big step forward, but we can’t go dismissing this as over yet.
Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson opposes SOPA. He says, and I quote, “Keep the government’s hands off the internet.”
Hope i’ll be able to meet you / see you in Stockholm
will prob. be my only chanse to :/ GO ANGRY JOE!
Where in Sweden will this convent be? :3
Somebody said Stockholm.
so happy to hear this. I sent out so many letters only to get “The Office of ____ appreciates your letter” responses that I was starting to lose faith.
he didn’t see quite so angry this time. must have been the good news & his upcoming trip to Sweden.
In something that was looking so bad, any sign of good news is great to hear. A battle won, but the war’s not over. Freedom is something this country was founded on and I won’t let it be lost in an area that means so much to me like the internet.
I signed SO many petitions and made SO many calls to speak out against SOPA, im glad it wasent all in vain. While I know we have only won just one battle in a much larger war, I still hope for the best. Even if we are just buying time and delaying the inevitable, we should enjoy what we’v got for as long as we are able. Keep fighting, cause we wont give up our internet freedom without a fight. Well done Joe and everyone else at TGWTG who went to Washington!
Hope Burns Bright!
YAY!!!!
say what u want, there is no win here, because i think this is more of a distraction.
1st of all, even if obama says he wont allow sopa, does that mean anything? does he do what he says?
2nd, look at this
http://www.slideshare.net/UnitB166ER/hr-3166-enemy-expatriation-act
H.R. 3166: Enemy Expatriation Act
Breathe a sigh of relief! They weren’t telling us lies after all. The NDAA won’t allow for indefinite detention of American citizens…no no no, you silly little Americans.
YOU WILL NO LONGER BE A CITIZEN!!!
no one in USA seems to care, although the us citizenship is worth like a paper bag of umm chips.. with cheese maybe
wow. hate my comment then, let the usa government take more control over your lives.
Hell yes! As a european, it’s been fucking annoying, sitting and waiting to see if the US will buttfuck the world wide web. We can’t do much aside from hoping that people will take action over there, and join pointless online petitions that most likely have little to no impact.
I honestly do not understand why these companies do not realise that they will NEVER be able to stop piracy on the internet, it is a global phenomenon and you will never have global control.
I support piracy purely because films and music gain the majority of there money through the cinema experience for film, and live performance for music, so charging for CD’s and DVD’s is over extortionate in our modern age. And here’s an idea, if corporations want to stop piracy, DO WHAT THEY DO. You’re telling me that if you put up online on a website all your films able to watch FOR FREE that you wouldn’t be able to make you’re money back by having a few advertisements before hand? I know I wouldn’t torrent if that were the case, but I’m also not willing to pay vast amounts of money for outdated technology, DVDs. Get with the 21st century, and fight by making your film and music free.
Piracy will never be able to take away from the cinema experience or the experience of live music which is where a film or musician makes the bulk of there profit. You will lose some money with a website over DVDs, but its better than creating legislation that will only harm the internet and not even counteract piracy.
This is good news for pretty much anyone with a computer. Resist the machine! The change everyone wants won’t come from censoring or opressing consumers, it will come from listening to consumers and being aware of what consumers want. Obviously people don’t want to buy CDs anymore, so instead of persecuting your potential consumers, find a way that allows them to buy your stuff at a reasonable price in a way that is comfortable!
Rant
Fuck CDs, i don’t want them, on the other hand i bloody LOVE spotify. I have no problem whatsoever forking out my 10 dollars a month for that. Same with movies, i don’t want DVDs, but i could imagine paying a monthly subscription fee to have access to online streaming in decent quality. In fact, that’d be awesome. Same for TV. I don’t particularly feel like paying a load of money and then have to be a slave to my TV or record everything. Let me watch stuff at my own leisure. It’s called “On Demand”, the technolody is here, so just bloody do it already!
I don’t support piracy but i imagine a lot of the people who do it are doing it because it’s just way more comfotable and practical than the legal channels. So get with the f***ing times RIAA/MPAA/whoever, you are only screwing yourself over by acting lke this.
/Rant
Enjoy sweden Joe, luckily this is a snowless year. Would love to go to the con too but I’m short on cash :/. Great that democracy worked and SOPA got stopped.
Don’t you mean unluckily snowless year? Winter without snow is a sad thing.
He meant lucklly. If you were in sweden last winter you would’ve understood. I still have nightmares.
Thank you, my dear Joe. I enjoyed hearing this in more than one way. I can’t wait to see what you have for SWTOR, but I also found myself very happy to hear what you had to say about SOPA. I kept worrying about what this ridiculous bill would do to people and reviewers like you that I enjoy watching, and because of that, I started spreading the word and tried to learn more about what exactly this bill would do. I admit that I started out fairly clueless but I learned a lot thanks to people like you. So I’m now very pleased to hear there’s a great victory like this for you and the internet as a whole. Thanks for your hard work, my friend~
Oh, Angry Joe… I don’t want to sound stupid but why did you never review Warhammer 40 000K Space marine? You did a top 5 reasons it was going to be awesome but no review.
Just curious.
Our punches against the giant are finally starting to have effect, but I’m skeptic about the responses we are getting; I just know that any day now, right before January 18th they will either suddenly for some out of touch reality reason support SOPA and PIPA again and steamroll it through congress before we get to say anything, or then Lamar Smith and his overlords will just add a few new coats of paint over the bad parts of SOPA and PIPA, changing some names and titles here and there but leaving the content entirely the same and this will be enough to fool Judiciary committee and congress, who despite their words don’t ever read what they are going to pass. If they did, we wouldn’t have the Patriot Act.
Or maybe I am proven wrong and both SOPA and PIPA are buried because by the grace of out gold allmighty, the government DOES indeed have a few brain cells that have adapted to the Digial age.
Either way, the fight is far from over. We scored victories and we finally have some room to maneuver, but you can bet that the overlords will not sit idly by and let this insult go unchecked. For they are pettier than children when they can’t have their way.
After all, as Lamar Smith himself said and I quote: “The opposition consists of minor groups and barely legitimate businesses that do not matter.” He may say he will remove the DNS blocking, but remember those words and that nothing he says or decides come from his own soulless mind. His overlords control him, body and soul.
But nonetheless, this is excellent news. Keep up the pressure and we can show the overlords that we matter, we have a voice and it is a LOUD one.
Until next time.
- Zelix
Great news!
Also, dont forget to mention in your SWTOR review that their interpretation of Star Wars is not perfect! Their Gundarks on Dromund Kaas only have 2 arms and have rino like feet. However gundarks are depicted as having 4 arms and spikes for feet! Don’t know how they got that wrong considering in footage interviews they had the creatures of star wars book on their desk and I know they are in there. . . I geeked out didnt I?
*M Bison Yes Yes!*
This is delicious news to wake up to.
Bison = Street Fighter = Capcom
I ADORE the Irony !
you mean
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRs2RDtfhYo&feature=related
I suppose this works too X3
so that mans we all win, reat . we may won the battle but we have not won the war. but for now the new game is coming i cant what its gone be o some lats hop nothing gos rowing
Could you translate that into English please?
In any way, another great step towards the thwarting of injustice and unlawful bills.
Welcome to Sweden. Bring warm clothes with you as it can be freakishly cold here.
Not entirely surprised to see the morons backpedalling after they finally realised that the SOPA-bill would affect them too.
Unfortunately the fight against SOPA and PIPA is not quite over, but at least our voices are being heard! If people think this doesn’t apply to them, they’re wrong. Don’t lose hope, let’s do our best to make democracy work and defend our favorite internet sites and shows!!! Your representatives are listening! Hopefully they can backpedal on the NDAA as well, perhaps a federal judge declaring it unconstitutional, or someone of good consciousness introducing a better bill to replace it soon!
You’re going to Sweden?! Damn it why I have to be in work when this happens. I could just get to ship and go over Gulf of Finland to get there.
While this is a major victor for gamers everywhere, the war isn’t over yet. As you mentioned, corparations are still going to wan’t something done about piracy, so we still have to be on high alert to make sure that the government makes a new type of bill that’s is similar too or worse than SOPA and PIPA.
However, this fact still isn’t going to stop me from partying tonight. WOOHOO, WE’RE BEATING SOPA!
Not to rain on your parade, Joe, but given how much Obama has gone back on his word in the past (Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, ect,), don’t celebrate just yet. Also, even if he does oppose SOPA, this doesn’t excuse his many other Bush-like blunders.
Bush like blunders? Im sorry, I dont recall Obama lying to the American people with so called evidence that Iraq was hiding Osama, and that they were building WMD’s. When in actuality, all he really wanted was their oil fields, essentially turning America into “the bad guys”.
Obama might not be perfect, but to blame him for the majority of the current problems in the States is like getting mad at a cleaning crew because it takes them longer than 5 minutes to clean up after a group of children cover every inch of a large room in their own feces.
I think that’s a general problem with how people percieve politics today though (maybe it always was i’m not sure), a lot of people don’t understand that pushing something through the system and then seeing the actual effects of it can take YEARS. You can’t just put a new president in the white house and expect everything to be changed over night. It takes time, a lot of time.
Yeah but TBH I don’t think McCain would have done much better.
you coming to sweden Joe prep for 20F or lower man, and do know that food will be kinda expensiv compaired to the us prices you might be looking at 13-15 buck for a normal meal but NO tipping we don’t do that
and reviewing MMOs is just hard sens you really need to get to 50 and do raiding or i will dissmiss your review sens if i get to 50 and there is nothing to do i will you stop playing
and sopa and pipa have been dealth massive blows but they are still damaging enought sens they still the finnansial part of sites without dueprosses
I’m so glad to hear that politicians are listening! FINALLY. Hopefully, these are the final death throes of these bills. I know we can’t rest easy yet, but this is good news.
Thanks for fighting the good fight, Joe, and keeping us informed. It was really helpful to have your PSA to pass around to friends and family members when they didn’t know what was going on with this.
SOPA is just the tip of the iceberg, as you also referenced the NDAA Bill. He was supposedly completely opposed to and wanting to shut down Guantanamo Bay within his 1st year in Presidency, and now he’s supporting and passing the NDAA Bill, an extension of Guantanamo into the US.
This is the best year to become involved in politics. Why? Because the Republican nominee isn’t decided yet, and if you don’t involve yourself, THIS guy will replace the current two-faced Obama.
Romney:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EQwrB1vu74c
Or you can have this guy. Up to all of us, just like with SOPA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-ujNI1UZ0Ww
What the “NDAA Bill”? I tried reading about it on Wiki but I still don’t understand.
The NDAA bill is unfortunately a rather complicated matter. It stands for National Defense Authorization Act, and it’s a funding bill that goes through Congress every year and gets passed every year. The main difference is that THIS year, someone tacked on some provisions. These provisions make it possible for American citizens that are suspected of being terrorists to be detained indefinitely, with only the barest military tribunal to act as ‘due process’. As with SOPA and PIPA, the scary thing about this is just how broad and vague the terminology is, as well as the supporter’s argument of “Well if you aren’t [x], then you have nothing to fear from this law.”
Many people were hoping President Obama would veto the NDAA, but unfortunately there was such a majority in Congress that it would be signed into law anyway. I think that, even as a statement against the major overreach, a veto would’ve still been important. Anyway, for anyone who wants more info, here’s the wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012
but i really don’t get why joe jumped on the obama adminsitration when the bill passed congess with enough votes to be veto prof.
there was litterlarly nothing he could do
Actually the military commission’s act of 2006 already makes it possible for the government to detain you and imprison you without any recourse, no lawyer, no outside contact, and having to prove your /innocence/ to a 3-person military tribunal as long as you are called a terrorist.
No what the recent legislation did is simply allow them to lock you up indefinitely without the military tribunal as long as they label you a terrorist.
Personally I’d like another option but we aren’t to that point yet..almost ready for it but not yet. As for the White House stance indeed actions speak louder than words and the whole snooping on domestic reporters and email gathering schemes worry me that if some parts of SOPA could be shoved into riders on other legislation that wouldn’t receive so much attention. That is my greatest fear that they’ll attempt to smuggle this through piece by piece instead of all at once . So everyone stay vigilant and don’t back down or go quiet.
More than that, it is the White House that actually asked for/added the indefinite incarceration clause. Obama is a lying scumbag, and not merely “I will do this” and then not doing it but, saying “I will do this” and then doing the exact opposite. He said he would abolish the Patriot Act. His first action in the White House? EXPAND the patriot act.
He also said he would put up proper health care. Instead his Obama-care guarantees customers for health-insurance companies, without them having to pay a dime more to the people they’re supposed to be helping pay health-care. Not to mention the whole “women are sweet and we’ll help them!” and “men are icky and can go die” nature of that piece of crap legislation.
Still, glad about your victories with SOPA and PIPA*
* it is Polish word for “cunt”
Sopa is a swedish word for trash/garbage.
Well yes, Joe, there weren’t that many games on December but your schedule on youtube still reads:
Call of Duty: MW 3 Review
Sword of the Stars II Review
Lord of the Rings: WINT Review
Just Dance 3 Review
Dance Central 2 Review
And now you’re saying there will be SWTOR next, so too bad those reviews are cancelled because i ‘d hoped that we would get those reviews someday.
Well glad too hear it’s making progress. Fight it with all your might!
I didn’t even know there would here in Sweden. Hope you enjoy the stay Joe.
*Sigh* Was the Capcom dig really necessary? I mean, Sega is still part of it, Nintendo and Sony were part of it and then have backed out (Sony quite massively I must remember) Not to mention there is still a number of ESA Members like Ubisoft, Square Enix, Konami and Namco that have made no comments. And every company that is being silent might as well be saying yes if they are part of ESA. Just looking for an Easy Target huh?
Still, not sure why Capcom agreed with ESA, they have tried to argue that they don’t support the dangerous parts of SOPA (Tried, they have doubled back saying never claimed to support SOPA, but they agree with ESA Legislative matters, and this is a legislative matter.)
We need to see what will happen. 18th of January is the next hearing day. Keep on fighting. We can’t let the bill pass.
Aww quit your bitching. Capcom deserves every cheap shot being lobbed at them and more for being complete fucktards towards their customers. Really they haven’t been doing anything as of late to fix their ways.
Have you played Ghost Trick? That game was one of my all time favourites of last year.
Never heard of it and I take it is for a handheld system. If so then nope. It’s what I call lightning in a bottle. Talk about getting lucky.
Handheld games are as valid as Home Console games, for one thing there are a lot more DS’s in the world than there are Xbox 360′s (Something like 150 million DS’s over 88 Million 360′s)
And You should have heard about Ghost Trick, it was even nominated for some Game of the Year awards in various sites. Hopefully we shall see a sequel to it on the 3DS some day soon.