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Your Questions Answered! PAX Prime 2011
Angry Joe brings you his final round of interviews from PAX Prime 2011! Capcom responds to Angry Joe and viewer questions regarding Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. Then we then show you why you should be just as excited for Prey 2 as we are. Finally, one indie developer wont let the space combat simulator die, and Monday Night Combat gets Supered! Collect them all after the jump!
Prey 2 is one of the most anticpiated games among the staff of Blistered Thumbs, this interview should help you understand why!
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Monday Night Combat has gone Super! Taking inspiration from DOTA style games, this free to play e-sports shooter takes everything great from the original MNC and offers interesting new features!
Clearly upset, Angry Joe gets answers to your viewer submitted questions for Capcom regarding the upcoming Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3! Will the answers be enough? You decide!
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You know, the only time I ever thought these glorified DLCs on disk were worth it was around the time of SSF2 and UMK3, because they didn’t have DLC way back then and actually went to a fair bit of effort. This is particularly money-grubbing and lazy in a world some games go from being average to unbelieveably good via DLC.
What I find the most hilarious about this whole controversy is the accusations being tossed around that Angry Joe is a big hypocrite. Tell me this. What has Angry Joe done to deserve such treatment from Geoff Knightley? The VGAs are a huge laughing stock even moreso than Xplay and G4. When you are considered equal to or worse than G4,you should retire.
Nobody takes them seriously and anyone that works on it should feel ashamed for themselves. Joe basically stated what we gamers thought of them out loud and let them have it.
As for the interview with Seth,the guy had it coming for working with a company that blatantly trolls its own fans and disrespects its customers. They are the Activision and EA of Japan.
They don’t deserve such shallow loyalty and blind fanboys who are quick to defend their every actions. While Seth is not responsible for the decisions that goes on behind the scenes,Angry Joe is letting the big heads in Capcom knows that not all of us will tolerate such stupid decisions go unchallenged.
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about DLC, So you are saying that capcom didn’t think that, after 10 years of waiting, after the thousands of demands, after the huge success of MVC2, tournaments around the world, and all the hype around the announcement of MvC3, and even after calling SF4 the best fighting game ever, even then Capcom and Marvel didn’t think that their game was going to sell well? so they didn’t leave any room in the disc for possible DLC in the future? They only had room for 2 downloadable fighters? Really??? After ten years they thought: Hey maybe its going to flop in sales, lets not prepare for DLC, God no, this game is going to suck, nobody is going to buy it. That is Bullshit!
I agree with everything else you said, about joe being pissed and people getting crazy over an interview, ranting, i also think everything boils down to people buying whatever the fuck they want, its your money, if you don’t like it then don’t buy it, why do they rant about it? who cares? hell if money came out of my ass i would buy it, but i don’t so i wont, simple as that.
But about the DLC thing you said, i just don’t buy it. But hey, maybe i am wrong, who knows, and please people, give joe a break, he is called angry joe, its his job to get angry, its on his name, he is pissed, so what? do you know seth personally?? no you don’t, why do you care? you call him a hypocrite, well i am sure that all people are pure and honest, especially people who call other people hypocrite, im sure they have never been one before or even had told a lie, im sure they are perfect in every way, really who is the hypocrite?
Oh, and if people start replying about why do i defend joe if a don’t know him, or ranting about it, then you missed my point entirely.
Believe it or not, there was the possibility the game could have failed. Executives do have doubts when bringing stuff that is over 10 years old back into mainstream. Evidence pointed out it could work, like how successful Street Fighter 4 was, but there is counter evidence as well. Such as the failure of DC VS Mortal Kombat which was one of the reasons that Bankrupted Midway. Maybe executives had doubts it wouldn’t sell, maybe not Capcom considering they had success with Tatsunoko VS Capcom (Probably the reason Marvel VS Capcom 3 was made actually), but Marvel might have doubts…
Of course, it could also be Marvel being restrictive on which characters they wanted to give out. They no doubt wanted the game to be released in March (which is the same for Capcom) Capcom said they could make this amount of characters in that time. Then Marvel waited to see if the game sold before they let more in. I believe Capcom isn’t allowed to have more characters than Marvel in the game (Both sides want equal representation). And Marvel only allowed a certain number of characters in (Interestingly, information for Doc Ock exists on the disc, but nothing further has come from it.)
It’s… complicated. They certainly had plans for 40 Characters in the first game, they said they wanted 58 for this one, though the current deadline they’ve been given has only allowed 48 to make it in. Maybe this time they have planned more DLC? Or maybe an expansion, like how the original Street Fighter was the “Test for Waters” game, then the sequel is the one that gets the DLC added… ugh. I’m not quite sure why they didn’t plan more slots. There could have been doubts about the game selling after the flop of DC VS Mortal Kombat with Marvel, Maybe Marvel didn’t allow capcom to use enough characters (It took a long time to get Shuma and Sentinel apparently.) Maybe even it was planned for Ultimate in the first place, maybe there were plans for more DLC to be released but the earthquake/tsunami stopped that (the still unused Doc Ock data does show signs that this may be the most likely case). It could be any of those things.
Marvel vs Capcom 3 failing?! In what universe? That’s a good joke there.
Mortal Kombat vs DC failed so hard because I am assuming DC couldn’t handle seeing their beloved characters being killed with gruesome fatalites and thus it was reduced to a Teen rating. This goes to show that not all crossovers are meant to be and sacrificing a core element in one of the series should not ever happen again.
That doesn’t follow. You’re trying to claim that a producer of one franchise can’t have doubts about the success of a new entry BEFORE its release by citing the potential failings of an entry in a different franchise AFTER its own release. BEFORE the release of Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe, BEFORE the masses got to play it, no one had any justification for believing the game would not be well-received for the reasons it’s assumed NOW that it wasn’t.
There wasn’t much reason for anyone to believe either MvC3 or MKvDC would be well-received before their releases, and that we can pinpoint or discuss now why MKvDC wasn’t well-received after its release DOESN’T make skepticism of MvC3′s success before its release any less rational.
Basically, I’m getting the impression you’re claiming the idea of Capcom being worried about MvC3 is silly because of how well it’s doing now. That’s circular logic.
You fail to understand my point. Even if MV3 turned out to be subpar which it did,it would sell rather decently because of the brand. 10 years is a long wait and as shown with DNF,people will buy anything. Also way to write a lot of words but not say anything of intelligence.
I saw you guys recording something at the mass effect 3 booth did something happen to that footage?
Hey i ust saw a video on cinemassacre.com with board james at pax, and angry joe is in it. They sit beside the mass effect 3 booth or something, if that is what you meant then the video is there. If not i dont know.
Ooh boy, the salt levels on Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3 are certainly something. Can’t wait for the TGS report, and then no doubt the actual reviews themselves, should be interesting to see what is brought up then. Joe, can you find a Marvel Representive on the matter? I’ve heard enough from Capcom, I want to know Marvel’s Ties to this game now. Everyone’s being mad at Capcom, whereas some involvement has to come from Marvel (Most notably their choices on characters and the release schedule). Otherwise wait for the game, see if it plays well.
But I’m going to talk about something else now. Let’s Talk Super Monday Night Combat shall we? I’m concerned for Balance between premium players and free players, he said you could only play certain characters in a week, and they alternate which characters free people can play as each week? What does that mean exactly? It doesn’t sound too balanced for me. Taking TF2 for an example, you can switch between the nine characters freely to help out. All have various applications, for example. if a pesky Spy is attacking, you might go Pyro to flush him out. If the enemy has set up a strong defence, you go medic to build an ubercharge and push. If time is running low and the point is undefended, you go Scout and rush that point. Now with Monday Night Combat, your saying that I have restricted choices on who I can be per week if I don’t pay? Um… that doesn’t sound balanced. Now I know Monday Night Combat is different to TF2, you generally pick one character at the beginning and due to the stat system, you keep that character. But people would like to chose which character they want. Also, if you play multiple games with the same group, you can learn what character the team needs. You may think after one game that “Hey, my team needs a Support Member to keep them all alive” or “That Gunner is being a pain destroying the bots, next game, I should go Sniper to stop him”. If you are restricting which characters we can play as, then not having the options is, unbalanced. This is also assuming each character is balanced (which I hope is the case) If the Assualt for example is heads and toes above all over classes, then those who can’t play assualt due to weekly shuffle of playable characters is going to always be at a disadvantage at those who are.
That said, it may be too much to call at this stage. But I have doubts about restricitng which characters are available each week. People who play Premium will be easily able to Counter Pick free players doing so, and the free players won’t stand a chance.
@Delirio
For some reason it will not allow me to create a direct reply to you, and so I will have to make a new one entirely.
Firstly, I will not dispute that spectator mode should have been in the game, it was a huge oversight, this is correct and one, of few, real credible criticisms of the game.
Secondly, You have completely failed to understand what I’m talking about with DLC, but I will forgo that because it isn’t important for the rest of your comment; The glaring, incredibly obvious error you’re making as a DIRECT RESULT of Joe’s ignorance is this comment here:
“They didnt think about adding new characters in a fighting game? Woah.”
They DID add new characters. There are infact Downloadable Characters for Marvel Vs Capcom right now, you can go onto the PSN store or XBL and purchase them with money.
Something I might add is that if they had released all 14 of the extra characters (including the two DLC characters released for MVC3) it would cost WELL over $40 for everything.
Thirdly, I am not a troll and you are completely misusing that term. “Joe wasnt unprofessional, he was simply pissed.” That is not an excuse. Remember when he complained about how Geoff Keighley acted towards him? How he felt completely disrespected? Shoes on the other foot now, isn’t it? Also “Who the fuck cares who that guy is” Wow.
I don’t know how you can read over your comment and not be disgusted by how deep you are brown nosing and how childish you seem.
i havent played the game yet but for what i heard in that interview….it sounds like bullshit i will hold my toungue till i play it but cmon man do you really settle for this stuff? i mean dont you think if they would have made the complete game from the get go it would have been better not to mention that owners of the first one are screwed if they wanna play with owners of the new one
the characters costing over $40 would’ve been acceptable, for the amount you’re getting compared to the price. However, that’s going by MK9, which not only blows MvC out of the water in every way, but actually gave a damn about it’s fanbase through regular and reasonably priced DLC, as well as actually having a fantastic game even without any of it.
MvC3 is one of the worst fighting games this generation, at least of the high caliber franchises. When you can’t put in as many characters as a game made 10 years ago and then you claim you didn’t have enough room, even with the characters being less distinct this time, there’s something seriously wrong.
Also, Capcom can kiss my ass if they think that they’re being reasonable with UMvC, I actually wouldn’t be surprised if they had planned this from the start and decided to release the original as the worlds most expensive advert; did that actually happen, I don’t know but I wouldn’t but it past them.
Go look at any other fighting game this generation, MK9, SF4 (super or normal), BlazBlue, Tekken 6, SSBB even, all these games hand MvC3 it’s ass on a silver platter. Even MK vs DC felt more fun than MvC, even though both were stripped down versions of what they should’ve been, MKvDC at least felt like there was effort there.
capcom can easily create many opportunities for us as DLC
A. give us a option to buy a single character
B. release packs of 3 and 4 characters if you like more than one character
C. Create a pack that has all 6 marvel characters and create a pack that has all 6 capcom characters
D. Create a pack that has all of the characters
E. Stages can be extra if you want them (even though more than half of the new stages are just alternates of the old stages, lazy as hell if you ask me)
F. give us the balance updates and spectator mode for free!!!!!
In the long run it would be cheaper and everyone wont have a character they don’t want…Listen the game is extremely fun, but it isn’t fun to cough up another $40 when you already bought the original
Bah, if y’all wanna pay relatively full price for your over glorified expansion pack, go ahead, I’m not gonna stop any of you.
FAILRAGEQUIT
“Relatively full price for an over glorified expansion pack”
World of Warcraft: Cataclysm (requires full game) – $40 on release
Dawn of War 2: Retribution (does not require full game) – $30 on release
Dragon Age Origins: Awakening (requires full game) – $40 on release
Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir (requires full game) – $40 on release
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion: Shivering Isles (requires full game) – $30 on release
Starcraft: Brood War (requires full game) – $30 on release
Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 (stand-alone game) – $40 on release
Let’s make a comparison here – Shivering Isles adds NEW content to an already expansive game. Brood War adds a whole NEW campaign to an expansive game.
UMvC throws in some characters and modes to a game that many people thought to be bareboned or gimped… and this expansion makes the first game almost obsolete within a year.
I’m not commenting here on the justification or lack thereof for Capcom’s actions, but these comparisons leave a lot to be desired.
The probem with just listing those is that you missed out one very important fact, all the above (haven’t played the Dawn of War series but other than that one) actually had worthwhile content, they added enough to the game to justify such a price. Some, like Awakening and Shivering Isles, could’ve been whole games on there own with a few more months development.
UMvC on the other hand? 12 characters, most of which are rubbish, arenas that affect absolutely nothing and patches for problems that shouldn’t have existed in the first place.
My advice, take that $40, go buy MvC2 on XBLA or PSN, then use the other 25 or so to buy a low priced game like Dead Rising, you’ll enjoy it a lot more.
Yeah, what Seth is trying to say, without actually out and saying it, is that UMvC3 makes MvC3 completely obsolete. MvC3 players can’t compete online with UMvC3 players. What more proof do you need? And how does that not alienate the players of the 2 different versions from each other, if they can’t compete with each other?
Gonna have to agree with Joe on this one; everything added in UMvC3 could’ve easily been added onto MvC3 as DLC.
Why you would want to argue that UMvC3 OUGHT to be its own standalone game, I don’t know, I guess you like paying full price for sequels or editions that just don’t add much to the original version. I guess if you’re a high school kid, no bills to pay, and plenty of discretionary income, money is no object to you.
I’m just going to go ahead and boycott these products if this’s their business model.
“Yeah, what Seth is trying to say, without actually out and saying it, is that UMvC3 makes MvC3 completely obsolete. MvC3 players can’t compete online with UMvC3 players. What more proof do you need? And how does that not alienate the players of the 2 different versions from each other, if they can’t compete with each other?”
Not many games allow older versions to play online with newer versions. Most online games require you to update to the latest version to play online, aside from MMOs (because they have paying subscribers and would lose a ton of money). I guess SSF4 had this provision for AE, but its not uncommon to have to upgrade. Do you think Starcraft people should have been able to play with Brood War people? Didn’t happen. Same deal with Warcraft III and its expansion, Civilization 4 and all its expansions. The list goes on. Why is it such a big deal now?
“Gonna have to agree with Joe on this one; everything added in UMvC3 could’ve easily been added onto MvC3 as DLC.”
This comes down to personal preference I think. I’d rather have everything at a flat rate than pick and choose content, but you’d rather pay for what you want and ignore the rest. It saves money for the fans and costs more for the casual gamers I guess.
“Why you would want to argue that UMvC3 OUGHT to be its own standalone game, I don’t know, I guess you like paying full price for sequels or editions that just don’t add much to the original version. I guess if you’re a high school kid, no bills to pay, and plenty of discretionary income, money is no object to you.”
UMvC3 isn’t full price. As far as not adding much… I hate seeing that repeated. Even if you disregard the rebalancing as something that should be patched, you still get:
1)12 new characters
2) New (unannounced) modes
3) New moves for all existing characters
4) 8 new stages.
5) New overall game mechanics
If you are dissatisfied with that sort of content, then I don’t know why you’d play a fighting game. I’m not trying to be rude, I truly don’t understand. It’s like complaining about an RTS game expansion adding new units and new maps.
I forgot to mention overall value of a fighting game. If you really like a fighting game for what it is, you can get waaaay more play time out of it than a lot of other games. You think about paying full price for games that only give you 20-30 hours of content… I’d wager than most fighting game fans get 100s of hours off of a single purchase.
I really only played MvC3 for a few weeks before moving on, but I still got my money’s worth in time alone.
“UMvC3 isn’t full price.”
$40 is still asking too much. Again, I ask you: You have money to piss away like that in THIS economy? What, it has to be priced at $50 or $60 for you start complaining? That’s only $10 to $20 extra!
“As far as not adding much… I hate seeing that repeated. Even if you disregard the rebalancing as something that should be patched, you still get:
1)12 new characters
2) New (unannounced) modes
3) New moves for all existing characters
4) 8 new stages.
5) New overall game mechanics”
Yeah, but I play fighting games either so I can fight against the computer, or competitively against another human opponent. What the hell do I care about modes other than that? Guess I’m just old school like that.
Back in the day, on the SNES, SFII, SFII Turbo, Super SFII, etc., were acceptable, because the SNES didn’t have hard drive capables or internet connection to handle DLC. These days, though, we DO have the kind of technology. Oh yeah, and those different SFII were rather well spaced out away from each other on the time line, too! At least more time than MvC3 and UMvC3!
“If you are dissatisfied with that sort of content, then I don’t know why you’d play a fighting game. I’m not trying to be rude, I truly don’t understand. It’s like complaining about an RTS game expansion adding new units and new maps.”
Wait, why would I play fighting games if I don’t want to pay a bunch more extra for…what? Playing fighting games is about spending money for add-ons? What? Since when?
Even in the example of FPSes or RTSes, either the add-on content is downloadable, or was sold as an affordable EXPANSION PACK not priced as a FULL GAME.
If $40 is too much for you that’s your decision. I explained in a follow-up that if you base the value on time spent alone then you’re getting a great deal. However, you keep saying it’s full priced when it’s not.
New modes was only one thing I mentioned. I really don’t care about them either, but new characters, moves, and mechanics are exciting because they affect the core game.
“Back in the day, on the SNES, SFII, SFII Turbo, Super SFII, etc., were acceptable, because the SNES didn’t have hard drive capables or internet connection to handle DLC. These days, though, we DO have the kind of technology. Oh yeah, and those different SFII were rather well spaced out away from each other on the time line, too! At least more time than MvC3 and UMvC3!”
Not everyone thought this was cool even when DLC was not invented at the time.
I for example thought it was completely stupid for Capcom to be releasing the same game over and over again. I’m shocked that Capcom didn’t straight up kill the fighting game market with such a foolish business mind. That is what led to the infamous video game crash because of developers over saturating the market with crap. Judging by the way video gaming is going,we could be due for another crash.
“$40 is still asking too much. Again, I ask you: You have money to piss away like that in THIS economy? What, it has to be priced at $50 or $60 for you start complaining? That’s only $10 to $20 extra!”
^ This is an amazing comment I fully agree with.
“Yeah, but I play fighting games either so I can fight against the computer, or competitively against another human opponent. What the hell do I care about modes other than that? Guess I’m just old school like that.”
I do care about other modes in a fighting game as some of us can’t be bothered to play online or do not have internet for our gaming consoles so then that is where they come into play. Story is also important to a smaller degree as I want a reason to pick up and play a fighting game again when it is no longer played competitively or is not possible to play online due to age.
Again, you can’t really compare a fighter to a game like Starcraft. It wouldn’t make much sense to throw an original terran player in there against a guy rocking medics and new crap.
I don’t know how difficult it is to get the two versions of MvC to cooperate but surely it must be more apt to have different characters fight whether one person can use them or not. They wouldn’t necessarily be messing with the balance in that case.
But of course Capcom is likely to tweak the balancing, which is one reason why some are so upset.
Joe why are you such an unprofessional man? do you not see how much of a big hypocrite you are? when someone behaves bad with you during an interview (Geoff Knightley) you come here and cry (make a video of yourself getting owned nonetheless.) And now you behave exactly the same way against seth. You roll your eyes, look down, take mic away before he can finish. I know you are doing this MvC 3 thing to promote this site but FFS man get more professional. You are freaking amateur man.
I was looking forward to Joe’s UMvC3 interview because I felt like he had some legitimate questions that I wanted to see answered. However, I was disappointed with it because I felt that Joe’s demeanor prevented any real discussion from happening.
I understand being frustrated with Capcom, but there’s no reason to disrespect Seth. He was part of the community long before he ever worked for the company. I mean, he is respected enough that they named the final boss in SF4 after him.
I’ve been a fan of the AJS for a long time, and I’ve seen most of his videos, but even Joe admitted he was nothing more than a casual player of fighting games (in his original MvC3 review). I’ve been reading people’s reaction to this video in the fighting game community and it hasn’t been pretty. People are disregarding Joe as a troll who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Honestly, I’d love to see an in depth interview/debate between Joe and Seth–no major time restraints like these short PAX interviews. It’s hard for me to understand the complaints I’ve seen Joe and other casual players express because I’m a true fighting game fan. Because of this different perspective I’d love to see how Capcom answers to the complaints of a more casual audience.
Can we get a longer interview on this game?
Talk about overreacting.
His gripes about the release date of the new game, the amount of new characters, etc. all hold water and you just scream about how he doesn’t understand anything about fighting games.
It’s funny because I never saw any correlation between forcing full retail purchases for expansion packs and the liveliness of the Fighting game scene.
They proved they could do this as DLC already with their small rebalance patch, and DLC characters, nothing about that ties in to Angry Joe’s experience with competitive Fighting Games.
Ah you see, this is another perfect example of how the modern gamer doesn’t understand how DLC works on a console.
Very simple concept, I’ll try and outline it the best I can:
When you buy a game for a console, all of the data is stored on the disc, the game accesses the data on the disc during load screens and loads up models, animations, etcetc etc. Right?
Thing about retail discs are, they are read only, meaning a console can’t burn new information onto a disc, so when you download DLC for a game, it’s because the devs have been forward thinking enough to have a system in place to allow the game to check for newer content on the hard drive. (Obviously on PC games this is not a problem.)
For marvel they had only really allowed extra space for about four characters, two of which we never seen (Frank West and Doc ock), which were found within the disc. This is why we’re told things like “An “upgrade” this size would not have been possible as DLC” it’s also why they couldn’t get spectate mode into the game, because there was no infrastructure in place to allow such a change.
This is a simple concept most people never seem to understand. Capcom was able to do the upgrade with Super SF4 because they had the forward thinking to set up an infrastructure for it, just in case the Arcade Version (which was already under development for arcades only) had a high demand.
With Marvel it was just a battle to get the game even released, the execs at capcom were really not convinced on how well it would sell, thus did not put the extra time and man hours into allowing an infrastructure of this size to be in place. Ontop of this, you can really only bend a game so far, so we definitely would not have gotten the amount of content we’re getting now – and definitely not as many major core gameplay elements changed – nevermind the fact that several characters now have the ability to play very, very differently from how they played before.
But that concept – that “Minor” tweaks can have huge gameplay changes are really not something non-fighting game fans understand with this genre. This is why I say Joe doesn’t know anything about the genre, because he’s a casual fan making inaccurate complaints about something he doesn’t understand – the very fact he was complaining about (fan voted) characters in the game calling them “shitty” before even SEEING what they look like in the game and what kind of styles they bring to the table just completely and utterly underlines the fact he’s only interested in the superficial, and it seems to be the case why he’s such a huge fan of Mortal Kombat.
I could go on, but I really have typed very much. Fact is, Joe isn’t a part of the fighting game community, he disrespected one of the most beloved and important figures in it without even knowing who he’s talking to, and continues to spew inaccurate and childish statements about a game/genre that he hasn’t researched and (as I have said many times) doesn’t understand.
EDIT: and just to be clear, I don’t “hate” Joe, I enjoy his non-fighting game videos just fine.
Okay, seriously. dude…give it up. I realize there are a lot of younger kids on here that watch Joe’s show, but ranting and raving about it just makes you look like an asshole…and a troll. Nobody cares man. I’ve said this before when people don’t agree with different reviews, that its just an opinion. Joe isn’t asking you to watch his show, you choose to do that. So, if you dont like something that is said, then you really dont have any reason to comment on this. It’s just sad to see how serious people take these videos, and you’re a prime example….just get over it.
oh and just so you know, I dont think Joe ever claimed to be a member of any gaming community. He’s just a guy, who likes video games, which is why people relate with him so well…because he shows the anger of an AVERAGE gamer. Not someone who loves fighting games. Because just going to be honest with you, I’ve hated all of the MVC games ever made. I feel like they’re overrated pieces of garbage, but I dont go around freaking out on people that like the games, because in the end, who cares…it’s called a selective opinion asshole…learn about it. read a book. and stop being ANNOYING!
It’s called a discussion. I know on this website it’s scandalous to say so, but you can have an opposing decision and not be a “troll”.
“So, if you dont like something that is said, then you really dont have any reason to comment on this.”
What a boring world you live in. If we all sat around holding hands and agreeing with each other, then we’d live in a world of mediocrity forever.
“It’s just sad to see how serious people take these videos, and you’re a prime example….just get over it. ”
What you don’t understand is that Joe takes these videos seriously too – it’s why he gets so upset/angry within them. You really think he just wants glad handing yesmen? I suspect if I email him and ask him that question, the answer will be no.
“I feel like they’re overrated pieces of garbage, but I dont go around freaking out on people that like the games, because in the end, who cares…it’s called a selective opinion asshole…learn about it. read a book. and stop being ANNOYING!”
Oh, you mean how like Joe is freaking out on a Capcom employee and highly respected member of the fighting game community? How he’s demanding that nobody buy a videogame because it’s “hurting the industry”? Okay. Sheep.
Opposing opinion* my mistake.
No I mean, nobody gives a shit what you think….at all. I remember when comment boxes weren’t for trolling morons. I dont live in a boring world…I’m just not a dramatic, over zealous moron who thinks he has to say his opinion about everything.
Of course Joe takes these videos seriously…but in the long run, do you really think YOU, of all the people that disagree with his videos, are going to change how he feels about a game? Get over yourself…and learn that your opinion, while important yes, is JUST an opinion. Writing lengthy, whining comments about how Joe hurt your feelings just makes you look dumb. Grow a pair.
You do realize that having the content on the disc, and unlocked via DLC download, is only one option for DLC, right? Nevermind the fact that it’s the laziest, cheapest method to do DLC and basically says, “Guess what? We had this all done but are going to charge you for it!” Since all these systems have hard drives it’s perfectly capable of patching in new content that was never on the disc in the first place. (And that’s actually the real purpose of the DLC, not this DLC turnkey to unlock disc content bullshit.) Anyone who has ever use an Xbox knows these games on the discs often have their core executables patches day of release, if not sooner. The only issue you really have with DLC is you would need to patch the update to everyone, even those who don’t purchase the DLC so their games can recognize the extra code when playing multiplayer.
That’s not what I’m talking about. When I said Doc Ock and Frank were on the disc, what I mean to say is the data to allow the characters to be displayed within the game are there, the characters themselves are not, Jill and Shuma’s were found also, but there was not sufficient data to actually create characters out of them – it’s why we haven’t seen frank and ock rebuilt with existing data, there is none to speak of, outside of empty handles.
“Since all these systems have hard drives it’s perfectly capable of patching in new content that was never on the disc in the first place. ”
..You don’t get what I’m talking about. Within the disc, every game that has DLC packs, from fallout new vegas to call of duty’s map packs, there has to be an infrastructure pre-built within the retail disc to allow the game to access the hard drive and allow it to access different data files. When it does this with patches it doesn’t overwrite data already within the disc, each of the characters will have a header that will check the hard drive directory for a newer version (of which are essentially several text files with hit-stun, hitbox, startup times etc etc etc) and it will read that instead of the text file within the disc – which is unaltered.
So for example, when Akuma got his tatsus nerfed, we downloaded a new patch which essentially contained several text files, including Akuma’s entire config file, even if only one move was changed, this is because his file will have at the top “Access(HDD://%GameData%/MVC/Akuma)” (this isn’t an actual command line, but it’s the gist) if it finds nothing it loads up the disc data, not the HDD data.
Okay so the tl;dr version is: You’re misunderstanding my point. If a game has no infrastructure in place, new DLC can’t just over-write what’s on the disc. If I make a game with no infrastructure for DLC and I create a DLC pack, nothing will happen, you’ll download it and nothing will activate, do you understand now?
If what you say with the DLC having to be pre-built in (I really highly doubt that) is true, then it still shows that they were too lazy to do that in the first place. They didnt think about having a spectator mode in a competitve game? Thats either laziness deluxe or just plain stupidity. They didnt think about adding new characters in a fighting game? Woah. And yeah that has a lot to do with if youre a casual or a compettive gamer. Riiiiight.
You know you call other people sheep while being an obvious troll and a Capcom fanboy. Joe wasnt unprofessional, he was simply pissed. He explained his reasons and you know what? If you dont like them, dont blame Joe or people who agree with him. Its called opinions and everyone is entitled to have their own. Joe didnt disrespect the guy at all and who the fuck cares who that guy is. I mean it seemed like he totally understood what Joe was saying and that he maybe even felt the same way. Hell thats why theyll release it for 40 bucks instead of the usual price. Cause its more like a revamped version that a full new title.
some of the people fails to realize:
when you work in an industry like gaming, you have to be professional enough to handle everything, from the sweet goody-two shoes nicely-nice interviewers, to tough critics who aren’t happy with the product
those people thinking joe was too harsh on the guy, he wasn’t harsh at all, he did the interview like any other unhappy customer would, when a gaming company screws up with a product, they will feel it, no matter who they’re sending to represent, they will have to face questions from people who expected something better than what they released
now this guy may be a big name among fighting games enthusiasts, but that doesn’t save him from having to face questions from people who are not satisfied with the product, he’s been in the business long enough to deal with this kind of things so no simpathy for the guy here
I could write another long series of paragraphs on the people who post comments on these videos, blindly sheeping after Joe on this issue, despite clearly being underage teens that don’t know what they’re talking about, but I will say just this:
Joe, your ignorance in fighting games is reaching iJustine levels of frustrating disappointment.
I feel like I should be laughing at it but it really just makes me shake my head.
Oh and, do me a favor as you all thumb down my comment, flail your little hands over the keyboard and give me an all caps raging comment while you’re at it, since it’s pretty cowardly to just downvote something and then not leave a reply explaining why – mostly because my points are pretty goddamn accurate.
The community around this site is mostly teens around 13-16, judging from comments left and profile pages (Please don’t comment me saying BUT I’M 18 ND I THINK UR WRONG, ofcourse there will be exceptions.), and that’s fine. What’s not fine is that these kids don’t have any objective thinking or critical minds like the videos on the site (mostly) try to represent, so they take what’s said here as gospel and never really think for their own.
I don’t know how many times I’ve seen the “only spectator mode and 12 shitty characters!” argument presented here in these comments, something that is a complete fallacy created by Joe from his ignorance on the genre, and the game itself. It’s truly depressing to see so little people thinking for themselves.
What’s worse is there’s no real discussion about this topic (or much of any other ones), and any dissenting opinion is thumbed down and berated to the point where any meaningful discussion is completely washed away and impossible.
Also, Joe, you completely disrespected Seth Killian, and it is quite an insult to imply he’s just a capcom employee trying to sell a game to you. Google him for christ sakes.
This is a comment thread not a blog. Long ass discussions should be reserved for the forums. Joe has stated many times he is not a huge fighting game fan so thanks for the knowledge Captain Obvious.
And really only the most sensitive people cares about being thumbed down.
Actually I think the reason you keep getting thumbed down is because you’re insulting the angry joe fan base on an angry joe video. Your information is accurate and presented well, but it’s hard to agree with a person when they insult you.
Well, seeing as how this guy has already decided that anyone that disagrees with him is an immature child, I have only one thing to say, “El queso está viejo y pútrido.”
Yeah that interview was interesting but the die is cast, I’m not paying 40 extra $ for like 2 characters I like and some balancing when i already paid for the full game.
sry capcom but this dosen’t fly no more.
A perfect example of why Joe’s ignorance is harmful. “For like two characters I like and some balancing”. Wow.
Joe, the reason mainly for Marvel VS Capcom 3 coming out soon is because there isn’t time for it otherwise. Both Capcom AND both Marvel have release schedules, and both companies don’t want there products clashing, therefore hampering sales. Capcom has Street Fighter X Tekken next year, and Marvel will no doubt have Ghost Rider and Avengers games (And yes, they will probably suck considering the standard Thor and the Iron Man games were at.) It’s basically now, or wait next year. And if we waited next year, we would have more, but we would probably be charged full price for it instead. I like a new version coming out soon. Keeps the game updated. If your going to complain about it should have been in before. Why not complain about characters like Skarlet and Kenshi being added by DLC in Mortal Kombat 9, those were out 2 months after the game released.
A deadline is a deadline, and Capcom had to make that Deadline, or Marvel wouldn’t allow the game to be released at all. I say Capcom did a mighty fine job making a good quality game with the deadlines provided. Just look how DC VS Mortal Kombat turned out for a bad example of meeting the Deadline.
They posted Angry Joe’s interview with Seth on some of the other fighting game sites and needless to say a lot of people were very pissed off at Angry Joe.
They posted Angry Joe’s rant on some of the other fighting game sites and needless to say they are pretty pissed.
Funny thing is, this really capcom’s new way, after all we old people had Street Fighter 2 in 1991, and then they started:
Street Fighter II: Champion Edition (1992); Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting (1992); Super Street Fighter II(1993); Super Street Fighter II Turbo (1994)…
By the way, in SF 2 Turbo, there was turbo, in SSF2 it was gone. So they made SSF2 turbo the next year.
Then we had:
Street Fighter III: New Generation(1997); Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact – Giant Attack (1998); Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike – Fight for the Future(1999).
They’re used to it… And the DLC was such a good reason to change it too…
From all the comments I’ve read regarding UMvC 3, I can make one simple conclusion about the game:
It’s bullshit.
I would’ve liked to see you ask the mvc guy more questions about the previous game like why they only gave us the bare minimum content.
It’s tough to take in answers like “well, it’s Japan”, because you can’t really say anything about it. It sucks that we are forced to consume games with just the absolutely necessary content because… well… that’s just the way they work in Japan! You can’t ask for great games because that would be pissing on their customs.
Don’t get me wrong, it was A+++ interview compared to what I’ve seen anyone else do but still just left an empty feeling. It’s like the guy didn’t give us anything where he should’ve been apologizing for the lack of content and empty promises. He was just shrugging your complains off like they were nothing. Yeah, it’s tough when you have to look reality in the face but when you fuck up that royally you should be able to see it and just go: “sorry man, it wasn’t really personally my fault but I know the product was unsatisfying”. :/
forced? how exactly did they force you to consume their game?
Oh my fucking god how hard can it be to use your brains for five seconds.
Ok, I’ll spell it out for you.
I didn’t mean that the force me to buy the game, but if I want that game, because I love to concept, then they force me to only have the minimum content with it. Nobody forces Bethesda to hurry Skyrim so that it’ll barely have characters walking in it.
Fuck, I can’t believe I actually had to write that.
so basically no one forced you and you are just a whiny bitch? nice use of “forced”
Well maybe not forced,but it is obvious here that some people here will buy anything Capcom related even it is poop as long as it has a popular brand name on it.
If you’re wondering why you’re getting so much heat from UMvC3 fans, its largely because of the way you conducted your interview. Seriously, compare your tone and attitude from any of the other interviews you did. You cut Seth off, pull the mic away before he’s done talking, roll your eyes, and are just disrespectful overall. You could have asked the same questions without doing any of these things.
Now, most fighting game fans have a lot of respect for Seth because of how much he has helped grow the community. He works for Capcom, yes, but he goes to community-run tournaments all the time to get feedback and take it straight to the Capcom table. Before you claim that he’s just promoting their games, realize that Capcom didn’t do that sort of thing before he worked for them. Most of the major changes to UMvC3 are directly related to fan feedback, so they’re giving the fans the tweaks they want. He knows the reasons you’re upset and had, very likely, already expressed those thoughts with his bosses before you even made your first UMvC3 rant.
I’m not going to defend that business decisions that led to UMvC3′s situation, just calling it like it is.
Ah, some lovely common sense, it is rare to see on this site, and I thank you for it.
Seth Killian is one of – if not THE most respected member of the fighting game community. Joe completely disrespected him.
Excellent editing on the UMVC3 video.. first you punch the corporate dude in the face and then there is this wimpy nerd talking to you.. I bet you would have been more angry interviewing a little more buff dude that could have stood up for himself
Also like the part when the guy talks about corporate and you start chuckling. Good stuff!
HEY, that “whimpy nerd” is Seth Killian. He was beating scrubs at fighting game tournaments before you picked up a controller. He’s part of the group responsible for Evo. He’s the guy who pushed for Capcom to bring over Tatsunoko vs. Capcom because he knew how great it was. He’s a guy who’s living ever gamer’s dream of being a tournament player, working for the company that makes the best games in the genre he loves, climb up to be such a significance that Capcom Japan does listen to him, and such a badass that they named the final boss of Street Fighter 4 after him. So yeah, show some respect.
Why is that hardcore fighting game fans assume everyone should know or care about this Seth Killian? Not all of us out here gives a crap about your community or who is a part of them. What a tribute Capcom gave him if this little trivia is true. Naming one of their most unoriginal, boring, and cheap ass boss after him. I would be insulted instead of humbled.
Because Seth is an integral part in the revival of fighting games in this country. Gamers in the U.S. always have always wanted someone on the inside that wants to bring over games from Japan that are quirky but still good. He’s that guy for fighting games. He’s beloved by the fighting game community because he does so much, and people on here showing how clueless they are in regards to him. The way you guys are blasting him is like Fox News fans blasting anyone that goes on and defend video games. It makes you look dumb for not knowing a guy that’s really helped gaming here in the U.S.
Ugh and you’re comment about Seth just screams scrub player. Being a tournament player for years, working for a company and getting to a point where they name a boss character after you on their most important games ever, and you think it’s an insult?
Yeah the USA where if I ask anyone what the King Of Fighters is,I am most likely going to get a blank stare. Sorry but that is partly why I could care less about the tournament scene here in the USA. That and assholes such as yourself don’t exactly give me reason to want to stay in the know how.
Well good for him then. Seth’s achievements mean nothing to me.
Scrub player?! Really?! I’m not Angry Joe. I can at least play a fighting game. (King of Fighters) Granted I may not be much of an expert player as say my younger sibling but that doesn’t mean that I cannot whip ass.
Like I said,Seth from Street Fighter 4 sucks as he has not a single fucking thing original about him be it moves or character design so yeah I would consider it an insult and last time I heard that Cell wannabe isn’t exactly the most popular character.
Also..Prey 2 looks awesome. I also always thought it was funny when NPCs didn’t react to having a gun pointed at them XP
Unrelated subject: WHY is there not more Interwievs.
I want MOAR GW2 coverage from these events from you Joe (or other MMO ppl from BT)!
I know how I would as a published had fighter game rooster problem settled settled. Have by default no characters included in the fisical copy, and make all characters available as DLC. Bith a retail coppy youd get free X amount of DLC characters, you could choose witch. The rest would have to be bought as normally with dlc.
So basically, PAIN right?
No instead of getting 20 characters, most of witch you don’t like, you could choose any 12 characters out of what? 150 characters on both marvel and capcom roosters. So you have the characters you actually like, instead of 15 you DON’T like and 5 you do. There would be still be retail discs with normal rosstes with “random” roster for those without interwebz.
I know that’s not how coporations work, but I think it would make player that much happier.
Joe I really think that you handle your interviews like a boss. I know it’s hard to be (and to look) upset when you have a good guy who’s talking in front of you (no matter where he comes from). Again, you really know how to handle the interview I think it’s admirable
However, I think I’m goin’ to love SMNC (I’ve been playing the first for a long time)…But, joe, why did you say sorry to Chandana? I bought the game after I saw your review, so I don’t understand what was wrong
SMNC 2: Fanboy vs. fanboy. Loved that interview, you both were so excited!
I’m still ok with UMvC3, and I no doubt expect people to down-thumb me just for that alone. I want to see more at TGS though. Apparantly a big announcement happens then. Modes apparantly.
I’m not expecting a story mode though. From what Capcom said, they said they rather focus on Gameplay. And I like that. I would actually prefer to have 12 different characters than to play through a story mode. Mainly since Story Mode is going to be one time only, whilst I’ll keep comng back to the game for it’s versus mode. Host parties at my house and have many matches with my friends. And 12 Extra characters is going to make those parties more fun.
The question is balancing though. MvC2 is notorious for basically having 8 characters that only ever get played online (4 for there dominating battle power. 4 for there assists). Also it would be nice to have no two characters play the same, MvC2 had about 7 Shotakon’s in it, and that’s not even getting started on Wolverine and Bone Claw Wolverine… I think that’s the main reason Mega Man is being left out currently. He’s either going to play too similar to Arthur, or he’s going to play too similar to Zero. And Capcom decided Gameplay comes first, so more unique characters get into the game. As for fan favourite though… well Strider and Phoenix beat him in the polls, so they got those positions. The rest were given to the more unique characters that were voted well in the polls (Though I need to see Vergil before making that decision final. Might be similar to Dante but I expect there to be a unique fighting style for him.)
What you should have asked is if there are ideas to make a third iteration, or has UMvC3 been designed to allow more DLC in mind. I am guessing a third iteration will happen eventually, just curious if they’ve made UMvC3 in mind of adding characters in this way. Because the main reason the game doesn’t seem to be DLC is because the overhall is too big for it to do in the current time they’ve been allocated, and tried to add more characters instead of focusing on backwards capability with pontentially less characters (Though this might have meant a cheaper price… but I expect UMvC3 to be sold at half price soon enough anyway.)
Well, it’s apples and oranges really. SF4 and MVC3 are similar yet different enough in there approaches on how they are adding content. I still want UMvC3. Because it’s core fighting gameplay is a lot more fun then Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter 4 was to me (though not as good as BlazBlue I must say), And this update seems to improve on that a lot with all the additions to the cast and the refinement to the original characters.
Also, add Tournament Mode Online. I really want Tournament Mode for this.
Prey 2… Hellyeah. I just know it’ll be my favorite game of all time. Can’t wait for it.
Sol. Nice I’m definitely checking that out. I love that kind of gameplay and I think it was VERY well done in Star Wars: Battlefront 2 (Though not so much with PC controls). I hope they can make good controls for this, ’cause if there’s one thing that kills a game for me, it’s bad controls (Assassin’s Creed *cough*).
Here’s the winner of these 4 videos. S-MNC. I liked that game (the first) it felt like fluid gameplay, but had quite a bit of flaws, most of them confirmed to be fixed in this “sequel”. Like the instant kills and balance problems. It really seems they’re set on balancing this right, and I like the robots taking down the shield thing, but I still think this might the game very unfriendly to newcomers if they play against very skilled players.
I didn’t know about this game, and I’m glad to see this is being made. The new classes look nice, and I think they’ve taken the whip from Bulletstorm.
F2P also really sold it.
UMVC3… *sigh* There are no words… Maybe except for MORTAL KOMBAT WINS – FATALITY!
Wait so the whole the Earthquake & Tsunami being the MAIN reason for UMVC3 was a Lie!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU CRAPCOM FUCK YOU!
Just when I thought you couldn’t get any lower you lie about the reasons why you couldn’t have UMVC3 as DLC and worse you use the Earthquake & Tsunami as your excuse so we could feel sorry for you well no more after today any new game that you release I’m not buying cause I don’t support scumbags.
Edit: Now I’m going to watch the other interviews to see if I can get this bad taste out of my mouth.
I already knew this was the real reason..If you been keeping up and watching closely with the events around UMVC3, it was already said a long time ago that it was Executive meddling that lead to this, and what he DIDN’T mention is that it IS in fact possible future games will have a shorter window, as Capcom is pushing to want more games out per-year. Course, UMVC3 likely isn’t among those (it already had a game this year), but it does mean that yearly releases of series over and over (ala Call of Duty or Tony Hawk or Guitar Hero) is very likely, whether the titles can handle that kind of development window or not.
Again though, it was already said that the executives wanting the game out sooner is why the game is out sooner, and even been in fact Stated that there were originally 8 more characters than the ones already listed (which would’ve meant 58 characters..thus 2 more than MVC2. Among them, Megaman X and Gene) but the 8 other people had to be scrapped because Capcom execs wouldn’t allow the development team more time.
Still in reguards to this as a whole as my general comment: I think Seth handled himself well (he actually listened to what Joe had to say and was answering the questions the best he could, even when Joe cut him off a few times lol), and I’m glad Joe said what he did with him, it could be helpful in the future, perhaps. honest what Seth said tells alot, even more so than he probably meant to say funny enough.
Nitsuma said Capcom was affected by the Earthquake. What Seth was saying was that Capcom wasn’t Directly affected by the Earthquake/Tsunami. It’s not like a building was knocked down or anything major like that. But he did say it was affected. So they would have instead have been INDIRECTLY affected by the affair. Do you know how long it took to pool resources to recover from earthquake and the tsunami? I know plenty of arcades were shut down for months to conserve on electricity. Capcom is a Japanese Company and all Japanese companies have been affected. It’s not a massive deal, if that was the case there would probably be no Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3 and we would have just been stuck with the vanilla version. But yes, it did affect them. They had power outages and had to have a few weeks off of work recovering from it. Seth said so in the interview (1:36 to 1:49). Listen.
Where in my comment did I write that Capcom wasn’t affected by the Earthquake & Tsunami, Well Killsteal_Wolf? READ MORE CAREFULLY NEXT TIME!
Considering your past comments on Angry Joe’s Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3 Rant, and now this one where you complain about it being a lie, followed by the long AAAH like your falling into the pits of hell or something. Then your Childish Complaint of Capcom. And you moaning about it. That seems to be what you are implying. That Capcom Lied about everything and Ulitmate was made to be disc only regardless of the Earthquake and Tsunami. Despite Seth and Nitsuma saying that the Earthquake and the Tsunami was part of the reason why it is Disc only.
Look I don’t think I need to argue anymore about this if you going to keep this up. You obviously are not going to buy the game if you keep arguing about it, if you do buy it your a pretty big hypocrite with what you said. As for me, I’m waiting for the Tokyo Game Show next week. There’s apparently going to be a big Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3 announcement then (Modes I hear)
1. I didn’t say Capcom lied about everything nor did I say the Earthquake & Tsunami weren’t factors as to why UMvC3 is a disc and and not DLC.
2. What I did say was Capcom lied about the MAIN reason why they did UMvC3 as a Disc and not as DLC.
3.You not once but twice replied with answers that have no argumentative stance within the context of the my first comment nor did you answer the question of my second comment that was directed to you might I add which leads me to believe your incapable of doing either.
“Wait so the whole the Earthquake & Tsunami being the MAIN reason for UMVC3 was a Lie!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU CRAPCOM FUCK YOU!”
1. To my knowledge, it was fan speculation, and not Capcom itself, that said that the tsunami affected this.
2. You said “Crapcom.” I no longer have a reason to take you seriously.
3. You typed in ALL CAPS and said “AAAAAHHHH!!!!!” I no longer have a reason to take you seriously…again.
Ok don’t take me seriously that’s your choice, I don’t really care if anyone took me seriously or if they agreed or disagreed with me on this, I just wanted to share my feeling on how I’m disappointed in how Capcom thinks they can jerk us around and think they can get away with it.
Oh and yes Capcom did in fact say at one time that the Earthquake & Tsunami was the main reason for creating UMvC3.
Link: http://www.destructoid.com/sdcc-interview-niitsuma-on-ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3-206630.phtml
Ah, I stand corrected, then. Thanks for the update.
- Prey 2 -
This is high among my most anticipated games. It’s everything I wished Star Wars Bounty Hunter to be and more.
- Sol: Exodus -
I’ve never been that into the space shooter genre, but that’s mainly been on account of control issues (keyboard and mouse being bad, and me just sucking with a joystick). Depending on how well it controls, I may decide to support this in the hopes that the genre can be reborn. As bad as I was at it, I’d love to see a rebooted “X-Wing vs TIE Fighter” franchise.
- Super Monday Night Combat -
Never played the original, but based on the information provided, I might give the sequel a shot. Free to play, after all, and it does look rather fun.
- UMVC3 -
Not into Capcom fighters in the slightest. Pass as I have passed over all those before.
Joe, you have to understand, the people that want this game don’t care about stuff that the more casual fighting game fans are bitching about. The fighting game guys don’t give a rat’s ass about other modes. They want more characters and the gameplay balances. Those that purchased Super Street Fighter 4 weren’t saying “OMG I CAN PLAY BONUS STAGES!!1″ They wanted balancing and the characters. That’s why it sold less than SF4 because those that already had SF4 didn’t care about the updates.
you say they care about gamers wanting an update with better roster and tweaks…
yet you’re saying players don’t care about updates…
… why are you contradicting yourself?
There’s no contradiction.
Fighting game fans want more characters and balancing hence the reason you saw a new version of Street Fighter year in the arcades. On the other hand, they don’t give a shit about “modes”. While you’re out there trying to finish a bonus stage mode, they’re out there trying to getting better at the game by playing other people. I played Super Street Fighter 4 AE almost everyday and I hardly touched single player mode because screw that, I’m playing to compete.
Well then I must be the exception as when I play a fighting game I am looking to both better myself and enjoy single player. What do you do when a fighting game is no longer played in tournaments or cannot find anyone to play with? That is when the extra modes come in handy. I’m sorry but party fighting games such as MVC3 and SSBB that shine only against other human opponents are not my time and money.
There would not be a problem had Capcom waited just a little bit longer to release MVC3.
What do I do when a game is over with? I go onto the next one. I was practicing at TvC for some time, but then MvC3 came out, so out went TvC. I’ll have them there for others that want to play them, but there’s a time to just let them go. Competition is the key in fighting games.
Hey look, it is a fanboy of capcom *points at originalgamer* You know originalgamer, there are not only people who would even buy shit from their beloved company (here capcom). There are people with the ability for logical cognition, wanting stuff that is worth their money and not some stuff that seems half-baked and low quality. You know, people like you destroy the video game industry, people like you cause the degradation of quality in video games, because you would even buy a cd with “Poop” written on it, as long as it is made by their favorite company.
Seriously, you are a shame for the gaming community.
Not always an option. Not everyone has the ability to buy videogames on a regular basis. So usually for some,that one game they buy will have to do for months. And I fully with redscore. However Capcom is on my shit list.
@redscores You’re post screams idiot gamer. Do you even know a quality fighting game? Do you even PLAY fighting games? I have a feeling you don’t because you’d realize that fighting games is about that depth of the gameplay. Complaining about lack of modes on a fighting game is like complaining about lack of graphics on a RPG, aka YOU’RE DOING IT WRONG!
no. i dont think you get it. but lets say for arguments sake your right. he dosnt get it. he is wrong. all people want are more and more guys to play. now if this is true, why is capcom leaving out 8 players that they have even said are sappos to be in UMVC3(so intotal should be 20 new guys not 12)? they have said its cause they need the game out before xmas. ill be honest here. do i need to say more? maybe should watch his video again if all you care about is characters cause joe says they want to see how little effort can go into a game to make money. last i knew capcoms salls were down. so that meens angry stahke holders. witch meens we need money. so what do we do? well lets make some stuff that will make money and get the numbers up fast. great. awsome. all it took was a drop in the stoahke to get MVC3. im sure marvel (evil disney wink wink) plays a part in all this too. point of his video is he is bitching about corprate america. oh almost forgot. thats great seth is a huge spokesmen for fighting games and what not. makes a great pr guy. sure his voice is great. but all i see is a pr guy now. dont want to say sell out but im sure its easyer to make change in the inside. to be honest i would send a super fan to talk about my game too. ty and hope maybe get it a little better now
Joe why didn’t you ask Seth “WHERE THE FUCK IS MEGA MAN!?”
^^ THIS!
went straight to the Marvel vs. capcom review, surprised Joe didn’t go off at one point or another. I’m still not sold on the reasons. They really should try to get the original and Ultimate to work together at least. It doesn’t have to be right away but a promise would make this an easier thing to swallow. The fact they had to make it right away doesnt excuse the fact they are abandoning the first. We waited 10 years for MvC3, Im sure we could have waited as long as we had to for the next expansion too.
tl;dr still mad capcom, still mad.
You should really watch all the interviews, I do my best to make them interesting even if you’ve never heard of the other games. Watch em’ you’ll +1 in your Knowledge Skill!
Wasn’t trying to imply that I wasn’t going to watch the rest. I just really wanted to see the UMvC3 one.
To AngryJoe, Your frustration with UMVC3 is completely understandable and I’m not bashing you for it at all. In fact I just want to share with you my reason’s for wanting the game to sort of parallel your own for not wanting it again no disrespect at all in any of this. 1. I’m a big fan of the characters they have chosen, Iron Fist is one of my personal favorites and Frank West and Phoenix Wright are two of my favorite new era capcom characters. 2) Honestly I would have bought all the DLC anyway I love this game I really do I find it alot of fun to play and the way I see it this may have saved me a bit of money based on how Capcom normally prices there DLC. 3) Rebalancing was big because it was a problem MVC2 had, Your not a blind man Joe you know darn well that Magneto, Storm, Sentinel ruled a majority of the scene for those 10 years, Its nice to see some nerfs and buffs. Alot of the rebalancing is pretty deep because old characters have new moves which doesn’t make them useless in this game. 4) I’m not much of a guy for online personally I usually just end up playing my friends and were all really excited for the new characters and can’t wait to pick them up so really its a big social activity for all of us both online and offline. I don’t want to bog this down with to much but honestly Joe those are my own reason’s. I didn’t want to attack you at all in fact I wanted this to be a peaceful representation of my own reason’s for wanting the game. I hope you will give the game a chance and if you don’t well that is your choice and your free to make it but hey at least a weekend rent wouldn’t hurt then your just giving your money to Blockbuster lol.
D’aww, i was hoping you’d punch him, Joe. But i understand that’s hard to do when he’s wearing glasses. And security, to, i guess would be a factor, but whatever…
Meh not interested on UMvC3, Want to see a series fix their mistakes that would be KOFXIII. Anyway, Can’t wait for Prey 2, its sounding really interesting and i enjoyed the first one
Joe if Seth Killian were to actually see your angry rant video, he’d probably face palm the minute you mentioned your views on the characters. Again, you based the roster on the fact that you didn’t recognize them and said they were worthless with no gameplay available at the time. That doesn’t strike me as fair.
As for the interview itself, well…..you did good. There I said it.
I’ll agree on that topic expect Capcom knows a bunch of people wanted Megaman though they didn’t put him in because there weren’t enough (Serious BS there) but yeah Marvel, can’t be helped cuz Marvel just wants show off characters in new movies.
Hell i wish the Capcom side had more less famous characters :l
It’s not like Marvel vs Capcom 3 people don’t know we want Megaman. Destructoid poked them asking why Megaman wasn’t in the game and what Megaman would be suited for the game if Capcom put him in the game. So there is still hope maybe Megaman is a DLC in the works thing that Capcom wants to be top secret but with this game I bet people are trying to leaks of info for stuff. (The interview was during EVO 2011)
Nice Videos Angry Joe!!! Good Job! Keep up the work.
Here’s the thing, the character selection wasnt my only gripe dude. People would LIKE to point to that to refute my entire video, but thats personal opinion.
If people want to focus on the fact that im upset that theres no megaman, etc. and argue against that all day long thats fine. I’m pointing out that currently theres less, that its a retail disc only, and that it will split the community. Lessening your $60 purchase made only months ago.
I was happy to hear from Seth that theres more modes coming, so theres that.
I like you handled the interview. For me, this UMvC3 milking has pissed me off so much that I am not going to bother at all with anymore MvC games. I bought MvC3 and it was so barebones that I played it for about 2 or 3 weeks then I went back to Super Street Fighter 4. Additionally, I downloaded the AE expansion for $15, which I think it reasonable. UMvC3 doesn’t even try to give us that option. Yeah, his excuse about it being a Japanese company didn’t hold up. SSF4 is also made by Capcom yet they had a download upgrade option.
Then obviously you don’t understand how Japan works video game wise. It was even said by Megaman’s creator how behind everyone else they are in their practices…
ty for responding to that falcon guy. just been runing his gums on your site and not understanding anything. hopfully you haveing to say the same thing over again helps people like that. love show and to be honest if there are more modes like say tournament mode ill be buying this game. but if its just reblance, spec and 12 new guys. ill play with what i got or get another fighter. thanks again for the show
Joe,
I have to say, while I understand your trepidation about this release splitting the community because it’s a retail disk. That’s a valid concern, it really is. But, the reality, with what is actually going on with the disk (frame rate changes, balance updates, new moves) even as a paid DLC, the split would still occur. To illustrate my point, please take a look at Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edition. If you want to use Yun, Yang, Evil Ryu, or Oni, you cannot play against anyone using Super Street Fighter 4.
I think the problem, many of us have with these interviews, and your rant, is the fact it shows a bit of misinformation you have. It’s rather bad, when your leading question, has to be corrected. It unfortunately shows a lack of research. When we, who do play these games, hear complaints that are inaccurate, we feel as if you are misleading people (although unintentionally, and with the most pure of intentions).
I know this is getting long, but let me just say, I love it when an interview hits hard. I do, it shows that they really want true responses. But, a hard hitter, must remain professional. And unfortunately, with your lack of research, and your aggressive/dismissive body language, you show Seth, that you don’t care what he says. Your interviewee subject is being insulted on a passive level. And while, some of your questions, did hit their mark. When you got the answers you didn’t care for, you started to shrug and roll your eyes. And I know, you don’t want to hear just PR spin talk, but the way you handled that shows a lack of polish, all over the interview.
Now, I don’t want this to sound as if I don’t care for your show, I do. I find you entertaining most times, and even if I don’t agree, you usually bring up some nice points. Even in your review of MvC3 you bring up some decent points, that I do agree with (the lack of spectator mode was a disappointment). But, you under mind those, when you start to get your interview questions corrected. Or the answers are a quick response saying something just isn’t the way you think it is. People will laud this interview as you sticking it to the man at Capcom, but a lot of us see it and we know the flaws apparent. We know the line of thinking. We hear it too. We, supporters, are online. But with this, and your twitter responses, it really is disappointing, because I’d hoped you’d have a higher standard than that.
Not to say, I won’t keep watching, because I will. But, I have to look at everything now and go “Is that how it really is? Or is this something that doesn’t fit in with what I know to be true.” Good luck in the future. I doubt this will be much of hit against you by viewers, you’ll still go on strong, and I’m glad for that.
Joe addressed the character selection topic a long time ago..he said that he should have never made any comments on the new characters and that everyone can debate about the characters till there blue in the face
my god. shut up about the new fighters. you dont even get the video he mead. so shut up my god. he is pissed that ALL YOU GET are new fighters and half of witch HE felt sucked. did meen that they were awful. listen. we all bitch about the new guys in the game like modok. but once in we love them. pull up a seat son and welcome to the family. STFU ABOUT THE NEW LINE UP AND BE UPSET GETING TWEEKS AND BALANCES ONLY FOR $40.