Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3
Players: 1-2
Publisher: Capcom
Genres: Fighting
Publisher: Capcom
Genres: Fighting
Release Date: November 15, 2011
Developer: Capcom
MSRP: $39.99
Developer: Capcom
MSRP: $39.99
Unleash your Ultimate! With 12 new characters, character and balance changes, and improved online play, Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3 will show you the true meaning of adrenaline charged fighting at budget price. The ultimate fighters from the marvel and capcom universes will collide again!
Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3: Angry Rant!
Posted By AngryJoe about 1 year, 10 months ago
Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3: Angry Rant!,
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Angry Joe loses it when Capcom announces the exact joke game he feared they would try to capitalize on in his Marvel vs. Capcom 3 Review. What is doubly insulting is how the real offering features less content than the joke version.
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God, people are so stupid now a days. I don’t let them waste their money, i wont and thats all that matters.
I made an account on this site just so I could say this, and I’m going to leave this short, since Joe probably doesn’t read this stuff anyway.
As a critic, it’s your job to inform. Telling people to boycott a game is not something a critic should do. Because of this video, I have lost all respect for you. Not because I’m a huge fan of MvC3, and I’m psyched for Ultimate, but because you’ve completely refused to think about this game before you started complaining about it. Now, don’t get me wrong, I don’t condone Capcom’s business model, myself, but so long as they keep providing us with great, solid fighting games with cool new characters, I’ll keep buying them. If you’re still butthurt about spending sixty dollars for a “beta” (which MvC3 was not), then don’t get UMvC3. You don’t even have to say anything about it. UMvC3 is for those who loved MvC3, and want a more refined experience with a game they already love. Plain and simple.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBX9dred3qk&annotation_id=annotation_497394&feature=iv
Here’s this guy, calls himself Maximilian. Take his example, and try to actually provide an insightful, intelligent reaction to UMvC3, rather than just a cursing rampage in which you moan about trivial things for fourteen minutes.
By the way, what’s your gripe with Hawkeye? Explain to me what is so wrong with Hawkeye that his inclusion is the worst thing about this game to you?
Capcom tends to produce ze same crap over and over. *ahem SuperStreetFighteAlphaArcage edition 3000….OMEGA!*
i totally understand and agree with Joe here (except Hawkeye – he’s Awesome)
He’s pissed because it’s unfair how someone can put Minimun of effort into a video game and try to
sell ze slightly twicked version just a couple month later.
There waz nothing great about MvC3 that wasn’t featured in Mvc2…except maybe the simple mode. it’s practically ze same title with just a lil’ bit different game mechanics
Capcom is just whoring out for money
Except that it wasn’t minimum effort, you people have just gotten picky and spoiled about how you want your fighting games and think they need to put in stuff like a Story Mode. And even if they did give you more content, that doesn’t mean it’ll be good. (Soul Caliber IV had a damn Story Mode and look what good came out of it!)
I guess then Guilty Gear,Blazblue ,and King Of Fighters have shitty stories as well…oh wait. I’m not setting my standards to high but they have a solid and engaging story that I care about.
Not everyone wants to or cares about using Wikipeida for everything you know. Some of us do have lives you know and are extremely busy.
The only reason I can think of you saying this kind of nonsense is because you don’t buy your own games and instead a friend or family member does your shopping.
We are in 2011 and fighting game fans expect a lot more effort.
More content whether it is good or not should always be included. It tells me that at least the developers are trying.
As for the roster,it’s fine for what it is.
I’m gonna have to agree with you as you seem to understand why Joe, and those complaining about the game, are so mad. MvC3 hasn’t even been out five months and they annouce UMvC3, which is basically 12 characters, of which I personally only care about three (Strider, Iron Fist, Ghost Rider). Lets be real, the only reason Phoenix Wright is in the game is because Capcom KNOWS the Phoenix Wright fans will buy it for that one character just to see how he works. Its the same with Hawkeye; he’s only there to advertise the upcoming Avengers movie. I was hoping they’d add in some Rival Schools characters (Batsu, Kyosuke, Hinata, Akira, Daigo, Shoma, Edge (my fave Rival Schools fighter), Hyo) and even some Breath of Fire characrers but all we get is Frank West, Phoenix Wright, and Rocket Raccoon. I don’t even want those characters. Why can’t I have spectator mode (which was supposed to be free), Strider, Iron Fist, and Ghost Rider. Just make that DLC along with the balancing changes (that again, was supposed to be free DLC). Instead, Capcom hides behind a natural disaster and then in turn uses that to justify 12 characters (I don’t count spectator mode and balancing changes as both were supposed to be free DLC) to cost forty dollars, of which I only want three of them. Marvel vs Capcom 3 was poorly made and UMvC3 is why. Oh well, you can’t talk sense into fanboys.
They could have even gotten characters from Red Earth and JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure. That would have been cool. Nope, lets give them Phoenix Wright and Rocket Raccoon….
I’ll save Joe the trouble and speak for him because I just know this is the real reason: The SOB isn’t the Marvel fan he makes himself look out to be. He’s a poser. I’m not convinced he’s ever touched a damn comic book in his life. That and he was too fucking lazy to actually go to Wikipedia and look up info and is judging this roster on popularity alone and not gameplay.
See this pet peeve I have towards people who use those kinds of criticisms has gotten so deep under my skin, I’m to the point where I refuse to be nice about it anymore. It’s always the same damn crying fit of “I hate this character, ::insert random ass X-Men member who wouldn’t work or play the same here:: is a much better choice!” I don’t expect people to be walking encyclopedias of Marvel knowledge, hell I don’t know much about Rocket or Nova myself, but in this day and age, stuff like Wikipedia exists to prevent that. (Hell the guy you linked to, Maximillian even admitted when he didn’t know much about certain characters and took the time to actually do some research)
From now on, if anyone can’t take the damn time to search on Wikipedia or Comic Vine regarding these characters they keep bitching about or who they’d rather have, then they should expect to be flamed.
Your just an ignorant fanboy. nobody, not even the BIGGEST fans of Capcom fighting games WANT to spend another 40 bucks on just a few more characters. this is something that should have been done as DLC IF AT ALL. do you even understand that? when this game comes out it will split the community down the MIDDLE. if you dont own this version you probably wont get in a decent match online. at least with MK (the far superior game by the way) you have download characters that you can choose to buy IF YOU WANT. if your not interested in Rain, Freddy, Skarlet, Kenshi then you dont gotta buy them… MvsC wasnt good enough to warrent a 60 dollar price the FIRST time they put it out, much less the second, third, fourth, or however many times they decide to put it out so you retarded fanboys can gobble it up. its people like you who give them the balls to DO this crap to us normal gamers in the first place!!! QUIT PAYING SO MUCH FOR NOTHING!
You still have to face Freddy online regardless if you paid for him or not due to how they patched the game. Something which was huge controversy because people feel like he doesn’t belong in the game (Same happened with Kratos on the PS3 version. But heck, every game gets this, you should have seen the response when the Rabbids were added to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles fighting game).
Also Opinions Differ. I don’t see why I should drop 60 Dollars for a Mortal Kombat game which has less playable characters and weaker fighting engine and a, though visually pretty, badly written story that forces me to play as characters I don’t like against cheap as hell bosses (Looking at you Raiden and your match against Shao Kahn). Same goes for Mortal Kombat 10, if and when it comes out. I’d like to see Netherealm try DC VS MK again and not screw it up like the Midway team did. They screwed it up soo bad it was a cause of the studio going under.
I’m not gonna buy this game. Why? I don’t need it. I’ll just stick to Tekken 6 and when it comes out, Tekken Tag Tournament 2 and Soul Caliber 5. All they really give you is spectator mode, which should have been in the game FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. And then wasted character slots like Rocket Raccoon, Phoenix Wright, and Frank West? How about Typhoid Mary (not that shitty Electra movie one, the actual Marvel comics Typhoid Mary), Steel Serpent, Blade, Ken Masters, Jin Saotome, Quicksilver, Bishop, Punisher, Gambit, Rogue, Cyclops, Dudley, Morph, Ibiki, Makoto, Alex, Leon S. Kennedy, Stick, Daredevil, Electra, Sheva, Protoman, Charlie, Juri, Karin, Fei Long…so many other characters they could have picked. The only new fighters I care about are Strider and Iron Fist (which is why I think they should have also put in Steel Serpent). So forty dollars for two characters? DON’T NEED IT!
I find it ironic that people are bitching about Phoenix Wright being a waste of a character slot when Capcom-Unity held a poll of characters fans wanted to see in the game as DLC and he placed second on the Capcom side.
And I think I actually like the idea of Rocket Raccoon being playable now that I’ve gone through that list of character choices you claim to be better because a raccoon with a gun is probably going to play far better than:
Ken – another shotoclone? Are Ryu and Akuma not enough for you? Seriously, pick someone that isn’t a shotoclone.
Cyclops – To hell with that asshole. All he ever did in the previous games was spam his optic blasts. The guy has never translated to a fighting game well at all. Period.
Rogue – She wouldn’t play the same. She doesn’t have super strength and flight anymore. God will you non comic readers at least use Wikipedia before you list someone? Joe didn’t think to do that before ranting about Hawkeye and look how much of a dumbass he made himself look.
I mean really, you just pulled a bunch of names out of hat, didn’t you? Dear god, I know everyone has their preferences and opinions towards characters and all but c’mon, can’t some of you at least think outside the box and pick characters other than more X-Men and Street Fighter characters? Or think of how they might translate to gameplay? Because 9 times out of 10 when I see examples like this, I see people just naming names and not putting much thought into it.
well i have to say i do love this show. very entertaining. but i ended up making this account just because im noticing people are only talking about the characters in the game. i’ll be honest for a min i bought this game and loved it. was great. was everything i wanted. then i saw the joe show and saw mk9 and all its online content and how well it worked online. i was amazed at what mk9 had cause ive always been a capcom fighter. then i relised i have not bought a capcom fighter in oh i dono sence mvc2 came out. i didnt no the leaps and bounds fighters have mead. after seing this show i did relise i was kinda cheated. granted was alot of of fun, but imagine how much fun it could be. i belive that is the point he is making. if dont belive me watch nostalgia critic vs angry joe. they love this game. i no they all do. there point is they wanted it all. like how mk9 treated its fans. we capcom fans didnt get the love as they did and its disapointing. oh almost forgot. about the guys in the game. they dont matter. we will always bitch about the line up but once in they will be loved like all the others. i remember modok was anouced and i was like thats awful. but i thought about it and it did sound cool and now i love to see him fight in turnys and what not. anyways ty joe for everything and all the people that didnt understand well i guess you should hit the play button tell you get it. ty
megaman will be there, i’m totally sure cause he makes an appearance on Trons ending, so as oder character that r already comfirmed that would be there like iron fist makes an appearance at Ryus ending, Ghost rider makes an appearance on Dantes ending and Dr. Strange makes an appearance on hsien kos ending
also i’m sure that Nightcrawler and silversurfer will be there too cause, the surfer makes an appearance at zeros ending and nightcrawler at trichs ending
Oh what a surprise, every comment that doesn’t agree with Joe, including my own, is severely thumbed down. Congratulations people, you’ve convinced me you’re all a bunch of selfish, elitist fanboys who can’t let someone else have an opinion objective to Joe’s views on the whole thing.
Fuck you, everyone has a right to say they don’t agree if they feel that way. Every reviewer has critics, let Joe deal with his or burn in hell.
you’re seriously pathetic if your entire existence is based around people giving you thumbs up or thubs down
seriously falco, get a grip, it was fun at first watching you nerdrage, but this is getting sad now
ps. maybe if you weren’t an insecure elitist fanboy you wouldn’t be getting so upset about people thumbing your comments down, a real fan doesn’t give a damn about the ammount of “vote up” they get in a post about a stupid videogame
Oh what a suprise. Now your white knighting Joe. First of all, don’t call me an elitist because I’m not, you only think I am because you suck the dick of everyone that rants against Capcom. Second, you completely missed my point. My point was, people were thumbing down comments that spoke out against Joe’s opinion because they can’t take opinions from anyone that doesn’t agree with Joe. (And don’t tell me otherwise. I refuse to believe that it’s all a coincidence)
If the people who agree with Joe are allowed to talk, then so should the people who don’t agree with him.
1.-Tell me where in my message i’m white knighting, please quote it
2.-you are an elitist because you’re going all over the internet cussing out anyone who’s not kissing hawkeye’s ass and even going as far as telling people to go burn in hell just for thumbing you down just because of a stupid videogame
3.- people give thumbs up if they agree and thumbs down if they disagree, look at my previous comment, i got 3 thumbs down, that means 3 people disagreed with me, and you know what? i dont’ mind it, if i were an elitist i would be crying like you are doing right now
4.- you refuse to believe because that’s what elitists do, in your little fanboy logic people is either with you, or they’re just capcom haters, with no proof, and no actual facts to back up your statements, and again, i call you shallow because something as stupid as a thumbs down is bothering you so much
5.- everyone is free to speak their minds, you are speaking your mind, i am speaking my mind, you don’t see me trying to shut you up, all i’m doing is disagreeing with you and elaborating as to why i feel you’re in the wrong, who cares if you get thumbed down? all they have to do is click on “show message” and they will read what you said, it’s not like they’re deleting your messages or anything
like i said in the first message, get a grip, you’re looking worse than the people you’re trying to crusade against
1) You’ve proven countless times in these discussions that all you do is play white knight and defend anyone who hates Capcom for doing this, even when the opposite side has a creditable point.
2) No, I only defend Hawkeye from Joe because he knows about what he’s talking about. If you’re going to hate on a character, have a good reason. Not this “half the roster is useless” bullcrap I’ve called him out on several times.
3) You’re implying I’m talking about me and me only you shit. Almost every comment I’ve clicked that has more than 10 thumbs down has valid arguments against Joe’s rant and considering how Joe’s fans have acted in the past, I can’t help but feel that it’s not mere coincidence that a bunch of them disagree. Maybe one or two disagree for legit reasons but not the majority.
4) Don’t put fucking words in my mouth and assume I’m elitist because of it.
5) Okay I’ll give you that one.
CAPCOM’S list of stupid decision and excuses
-Megaman Universe cancelled: sorry guys Keiji Inafune quit
-Megaman Legends 3 cancelled: sorry guys its the FANS fault for been being involved enough
-Devil may cry 5: we didn’t know what do with our own franchise so we gave it to some random company
-Resident evil mercenaries stupid un-deletable save file: sorry guys we wanted to you give you a arcade experience
-Resident evil 5: more action and less horror (why?? to cater to all of the trigger happy fans??)
-Super dead rising 2 (off the record): The fans originally wanted frank west from the beginning and now there pretending to listen to the fans (its just a cover up so they can make more money)
-marvel vs capcom 3: we released it incomplete cause we knew everyone was going to buy it
-ultimate marvel vs capcom 3- sorry guys the tsunami had a huge effect on us (in other word we want more money)
…hey capcom ,its seems like the only thing you have been accomplishing lately is losing many customers like me
Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is fun, I will give the game that, but in terms of content, it suffers greatly. Yes, I am aware that there are fighting game fans who prefer more fighters than modes and are content with buying this version of MvC3. The problem is that Capcom is a ripoff in this regard and instead of patching the game or offering these characters as DLC, Capcom just throws it all together and expects everyone to buy their product. Hell, not even EA is this stupid and have learned to some degree that you can’t just slap a unfinished game together and expect to gain a profit. I won’t be buying this game or anything Capcom related for some time.
capcom can easily create many opportunities for us as DLC
A. give us a option to buy a single character
B. release packs of 3 and 4 characters if you like more than one character
C. Create a pack that has all 6 marvel characters and create a pack that has all 6 capcom characters
C. Create a pack that has all of the characters
D. Stages can be extra if you want them (even though half of the new stages are just alterations of the old ones, lazy if you ask me)
If capcom creates each of these choices has DLC everyone would save money and wont have a character they don’t want
This little farce with Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 has truly gotten on my wick for many reasons:
1. The first is the obvious “tsunami = Disc” nonsense, I call it nonsense primarily because it does not justify NOT making the Ultimate upgrade a DLC for the rest of the world and fans who still would not mind the DLC after purchasing Vanilla Marvel Vs. Capcom 3. To turn the knife on the wound, Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is not even out and already they are planning the “Unlimited Hyper” game mode DLC, so much for those tsunami victims huh you jerks!
2. As Joe has made evident, Capcom has said nothing about new game modes. 1v1? Tournament? Cross Fever Mode, a mode that I would argue would make a brilliant revival for MvC’s latest installment after its initial appearance in the original MvC? Nothing at all! Just some DLC game mode that debatably is just a modification to the training mode.
3. People at Capcom’s official website are actually thinking that this thing is acceptable and are refusing the option to add more game modes to the game using the excuse “it wouldn’t be used”. What? Are you suggesting we should be grateful for LESS??! That logic bambozzles me, surely you want MORE for your money, regardless of whether you’d apply the full use or not? Tell me, what’s better, buying just a book or buying that same book with a bookmark thrown in for free?
Now I know a bunch of you are settling with just disgruntly shutting up and not buy UMvC3 or buying UMvC3 regradless. I propose a more productive option that satisfies both the buyers and those like Joe who would rather not:
http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/gameplayumvc3/
This is a link to a petition for Capcom to implement more gameplay features (not characters but actual GAMEPLAY FEATURES) to the DISK (not DLC remember, Disk!) of Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3. It has some signitures and support from some people on Capcom Unity, but I think it is imperative that we gamers don’t just play quiet. Granted I know there is a chance that another expansion to MvC3 will arrive, but what if it doesn’t? What if Capcom make such a loss that Capcom no longer wishes to risk the expanding the game, I don’t know about you but I’d feel like a real idiot.
Please, if you don’t even sign the petition, at least give me some care enough to read my petition, I already linked it to this video to demonstrate to Capcom (who I hope to email my petition to with enough signatures) that not everyone is taking their exploitation lying down!
I bought the special edition for $70 and the strategy guide for $20 which =$90
SO I WAITED TEN YEARS AS A MVC FAN TO WASTE ALL OF THAT MONEY!!!!!
And capcom actually expects me and the fans to buy them both again for ANOTHER total of $60…oh well, look at the bright side capcom you lost me and many other customers =]
It’s only $40, plus you can just trade in the original game and get it cheaper whilst keeping the special stuff. You will still have Shuma, Jill, the comic book, the steel case and the one month subscription to Marvel Digital Comics.
So i get $6 dollars back when I trade in a $70 game =/….Then were suppose to pay another $40 dollars which equals to $110 or $100 depending on the version you bought…I’m paying for modes that should have already been in the game…I’m paying for many characters that i personally don’t like (that’s my opinion)…Capcom should release these characters individually and in packs of 3,4,6, and 12…8 new stages, which half of them are just alternates (lazy as hell if you ask me)…I’m paying for a rebalanced which could have easily been free dlc….and all because capcom blames the tsunami, even though capcom still released sf4ae without a problem…Me and many other people who see through this scam wont buy this wallet rape game
Joe I can go on and on about how your statements are either casual gamer logic or simply flawed. If you liked to talk about them, I can do it here or hit me up my show, The Original Gamer Podcast at http://www.original-gamer.com.
Twelve NEW fighters is fuckin cool. thats a huge ammount of characters to add to the roster of a game full of viable characters. Marvel vs Capcom 2 had more characters but also the entire roster was junk save for about 5 characters. Marvel vs Capcom 3 has a roster that is almost nothing BUT useful, viable characters. I’m not losing any sleep over fucking guile and dhalsim not being in this because they were useless and just made the game “look” like it had alot of characters when really it didn’t.
rebalancing everyone is fuckin cool. they’re changing how air juggles and x-factor works based on user feedback to make the game more balanced. giving everyone new moves is fuckin cool. nobody who played this game longer than the first week cares that the roster doesn’t have megaman in it because character models dont matter to fighting game players, only hitboxes do.
goddamnit.
christ.
Also no one cares about modes because everyone just plays ranked match and endless battle. if you didnt notice the team battle and tournament battle modes in ssf4 are a ghost town and no one fuckin plays them. it would have been a waste of development resources to put them in this game when adding TWELVE new characters aka tools of destruction was more important/useful.
Wow youre such a casual.
Anyone who actually plays the game would get all characters by default because you need to practice against them to stay competitive.
“buying the ones we want” Youre such a casual lol.
by the way iron fist is fuckin cool. And dr strange is just dr orpheus from venture bros. Hawkeye is a badass and one of my favorite avengers. Stop pushing your opinion on people!!
No serious the marvel characters are supposed to appeal to marvel fans. I guess you arent a marvel fan because otherwise you’d realise why this is such a good set of characters.
Why would you add team battle to MvC3 its already a team game by default!?
makes no sense.
No serious, this expansion isn’t designed for casuals that just want to look at thier favorite capcom guy jump arround the screen. Its made for people who are serious about fighting games and for those people they care more about the movelist than who the character is supposed to be. honestly i just dont think you get fighting games
wow someone who throws around the word casual in an attempt to feel cool? What a shock. You do realize game companies rely on “casuals” to buy the game right?
I don’t know what delusion you are under, but wanting to pick and choose which characters you buy is not asking for much. And it doesn’t take away from wannabe hardcore gamers like you to offer the choice. The majority of players aren’t looking to enter tourneys and jus want to play as favorite characters, not be forced to pay for 12 more, when half of em they will never use.
This expansion is aimed at people so desperate for the content that should have been in the game in the first place, that they throw away their money that could have been spend on a game with real effort put into it. Oh and the few smart people who saw the expansion coming and didn’t buy the first game.
Any gamer should be able to see the amount of content you are getting for your dollar for this is lackluster at best. And joe is right to be pissed. MK9 has shown how poorly capcom treats it’s fans.
No, MK9 is stuck up it’s own ass. Yeah, a bunch of modes that I hardly ever touch outside of Arcade Mode, Story Mode and Online matches. Just because a game gives you more content, doesn’t mean it’s good. Which is why I say you’re all spoiled brats at this point.
Just because you don’t like the extra modes doesn’t mean that Netherrealms should not have bothered with them at all. So we’re spoiled because we want more from our fighting games? Get off of your high horse why don’t you? Capcom aren’t your friends nor do they care about you;just your wallet.
Oh and Netherrealms do?
A lot more than Capcom does. I guess giving away free DLC means that you hate your fans.
While I disagree with Joe about Hawkeye and Rocket Racoon (I actually like those Marvel characters), his point here is valid – compared to the added features we got in Super Street Fighter IV, the features for UMvC3 are woefully lacking. The changes between the two versions seem closer to the changes between Super Street Fighter IV and Super Street Fighter IV Arcade – and with that change, players who already owned the game had an option to purchase an inexpensive upgrade pack, instead of having to buy a new retail release. For new players, Capcom phased out SSF4 in favor of a retail box of SSF4Arcade, which I believe had an even lower price point. Were Capcom to do a similar take here, I wouldn’t be as offended by the change. However, that doesn’t appear to be the case. Instead, this looks like another situation where a Japanese publisher fails to understand not only American gamers, but the whole idea of what the Internet is, and what it permits game designers to do, and does so to their detriment.
That was a joke? I thought AJ was serious when he predicted Ultimate MvC3. Or at least halfway serious. Fact is, I had a pretty good feeling an “Ultimate” version was going to come out. Capcom’s been making new versions of their games over the past decade, such as Super Street Fighter IV and Resident Evil Gold Edition. Also, making new versions of tournament fighting games has been the standard routine ever since Street Fighter II. Even Midway once made an Ultimate Mortal Kombat III. Oh, but what am I saying? Joe already knew this; that’s why he made the prediction in the first place. I just can’t see how he thought his “joke” was nothing more than that – a joke.
Speaking of Ultimate MK3, I noticed it too was also released in the same year as the original MK3 was. So how is it wrong for Capcom to pull this with MvC3 but not Midway back then? Oh and don’t give me the “because it was cartridge based” load of bullshit because UMK3 debuted as an arcade machine before being ported to consoles. Y’know how expensive it is to build one of those fucking things?
Was DLC around at the time? No it wasn’t you asshat. Midway at least didn’t do it as often as Capcom did and weren’t behaving like a bunch of money grabbing jerks. The only times I can think of were Mortal Kombat Gold and Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3/Trilogy. How many versions of Street Fighter do we really need?
Thanks capcom. A raccoon, phoenix wright and hawkeye. Where is the ORIGINAL Megaman! Your main guy! Zero doesn’t count either. I traded it in before but when I get it again soon I’m NOT buying UMVC3! I’ll just play MVC2 til then.
Is it me or is anyone else mad that they bought the special edition of MvC3? nothing pisses me off more then buying that and then comes the fucking “Ultimate MvC3″ with NO Megaman!? Your telling me we can add a shit ton of avengers, resident evil, and X men characters but no love for the blue bomber? Or what happened to Capcom’s original character designs like ruby heart or amingo? I really loved capcom as a kid and it’s sad that capcom is trying to kill Megaman by canceling two games ESPECIALLY LEGENDS 3. A game I waited for 10 fucking years has now been canceled. I think I have no other choice but go with Joe. unless capcom gets there shit together I am going to have to say goodbye to the old capcom.
Shit-ton my ass. Other than a lack of a Mega Man, you’re exaggerating just how many characters of each franchise you’ve listed are really in this. As of UMvC3′s final 50 character roster there are: 5 Avengers, (the “big 4″ of Cap, Thor, Iron Man and Hulk plus Hawkeye) 4 Resident Evil characters, (Chris, Jill, Wesker and Nemesis) and 6 X-Men (Wolverine, X-23, Storm, Phoenix, Sentinel and Magneto) 7 if you count Deadpool.
Compare that to MvC2: 18 X-Men characters and 12 Street Figher characters. That sounds more like a “shit-ton” to me. And you don’t wanna bitch about that? See this is the biggest reason why I hate people who whine about MvC3′s roster. They fail to realize just how one-sided the franchise representation in MvC2 really is. I’m about nearly convinced that everyone who thinks MvC2 had a better roster is a retarded nostalgia fag (Joe included) because they never take this into consideration. At least MvC3 gives the other facets of both Marvel and Capcom a time to shine.
Well… I created this account specifically to reply to this comment thread, so… I guess I better make this good. The first thing I’d like to point out is that this is called “The Angry Joe Show.” Or don’t you guys realize this? Seriously. Those of you bashing Joe, lighten up. There’s a reason this show is called “The Angry Joe Show.” Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m sure he really is angry at this, but not as angry as he appears to be in the show. It’s called ACTING, ladies and gentlemen!
Secondly, for those of you who are taking Joe seriously when he said, at the end of the vid, to NOT buy this game… you’re exactly what you’re accusing those of us who will be buying Ultimate MvC 3 to be. You accuse us of being “fanboys” and buying into Capcom’s bullshit corporate marketing. And just what do you think YOU are doing by promoting Joe’s obviously not 100% serious demand of the consumers to not buy Ultimate MvC 3? Food for thought. And just because I’m kind of offended by some of the direct attacks on those of us who will be buying it (yes I’m going to buy it), think about this. I KNEW Capcom was going to do something like this. So guess what? I didn’t buy the first one. Instead I waited for the second version with a better roster, features, and balancing, and that costs 10-20 dollars less. That doesn’t make me a “fanboy” or a “sucker,” that makes me smarter than you. You shouldn’t be pissed at me for buying Ultimate, you should be pissed at yourself for buying the Original. If you REALLY want to influence the corporate side of things, you don’t do that by not buying the better version of a game you know you want. You don’t slap the company in the face for acknowledging that they fucked up and that the fans are pissed. What you do is don’t buy the FIRST game. In fact, we who didn’t buy the first game, but will be buying this one aren’t the fanboys. You who bought the first game knowing it was going to be inferior and knowing that a second version was on the way are the fanboys. You’re the ones who got suckered in by Capcom to buy the first game and gave them all your money, not me. So don’t go around saying that I’m going to fuck it up for the rest of you because I’m going to buy Ultimate. You already fucked yourself by buying the Original.
The third thing I’d like to talk about is why you are all raging in the first place: The Roster. Really? Of all things you could, and probably should, be raging about, the biggest thing you can come up with is the Roster? The most ambiguous part of a fighting game? Granted, I was kinda pissed when Capcom revealed their Roster for MvC 3 and, yes, it was a big reason why I didn’t buy the Original, but come on. It’s not like MvC 3 is a bad game. It’s Marvel vs Capcom, for crying out loud! As I said, the Roster is ambiguous, at best. No matter who you are or what your franchise is, your Roster is never going to please everyone. While I don’t necessarily agree with all of the Roster choices in MvC 3, I have to give Capcom props for having enough balls to try something new. As many people have pointed out in their comments here, a lot of you think that just because you’ve never heard of the character or you don’t like the character, that the character is going to suck. THAT is exactly the reason why Capcom and Marvel included these characters in the first place. They’re saying, “We’re going to try new characters and try to show you that some character you maybe never heard of before or you don’t like in the comics or in a certain video game are actually pretty good in a fighting game.” And let’s not forget what Capcom is GOOD at. Let’s not forget WHY they’re rich and successful. And that is because they know how to make a consistently good game engine. The Mega Man Series (and spinoffs thereof, like X and Zero) are a testament to that. We’ll get to The Blue Bomber later. Also, Street Fighter Series. Versus Series. I could go on, but I’m sure you get the point. The one thing that Capcom does better than any other developer is design consistently great game engines. Marvel vs Capcom 3 is no different. The Core of it is solid as ever and consistent with the other games in the franchise. Over The Top Supers? Check. Level 3 Awesome Supers? Mostly Check (some Level 3s are still crap, but every character has, at least, one). Hidden Max Level Supers? Bonus! Alternate Colors for Characters? Check. Alternate Costumes (many characters do have outright different costumes in addition to color alterations)? Bonus! Fast-Paced Frenetic Action? Check. Smooth Tag & Call System? Check. Beautiful Stage Backgrounds? Check. Awesome Recognizable Theme Musics? Check. Gigantic Super Boss That Makes No Sense? Check. Everything you’ve come to expect from a Capcom Versus Fighting Game is there. The staples are there in full force, the core engine is as robust and smooth as ever, and the experience is still top notch. And before you guys say it, no the game isn’t balanced. But what fighting game is? Some of you may be too young to really remember, but I’m old enough to remember exactly what made old school fighting games so much fun and so good. And I just outlined it for you. A solid roster, a robust engine, and game mechanics that work. That’s a fighting game at its core. And Capcom delivers that and then some. Now, I will grant you that with modern gaming, gamers are beginning to expect more. Especially Online functionality. On that I will say this: Put enough money into your server bandwidth, then we’ll talk. Right now, fighting games, in my opinion, suck on the Internet. I’ve seen my friend play various Tekken games on line (5 and 6, to be precise) and I’m glad I’ve never played them online. The lag is HORRIBLE. When playing a fighting game Online becomes viable, then I’ll give a crap. Until then, who cares? I will say this, however, that I agree with Joe that if you’re going to give the game Online Functionality, you really do need to include a Spectator Mode for people waiting in the lobby, What Capcom did with respect to that is just bad form. Two name plates bumping and grinding? Really, Capcom? I would also like to point out one last thing about Rosters. When a company has the fundamentals down and is consistent with those fundamentals across the board with a game series, they can do whatever the Hell they want with the Roster. Why? Because you, the player, can play a specific game out of the series for the Roster alone and never have to worry about differences in game quality because the game itself will always be the same. Case in point: King of Fighters. That series’ Roster was always in a state of flux. If you ask any fan of the series, they’ll have their own favorite game and I can guarantee you that their choice is based, primarily, on which game had their favorite Roster, not which game was better. Why? Because every game played, more or less, the same. The exceptions to that would probably be the more recent KoF games. I’ve never played… 13, I think was the most recent, so I can’t really comment on that one.
Now my Fourth and Final topic of discussion at this time… Mega Man. Let me start by saying that I understand where you all are coming from. I was pissed when I heard Mega Man wasn’t going to be in the game. And I was further upset at hearing that Mega Man Legends 3 and Mega Man Universe were canceled and that Mega Man was, originally, slated to be included in Ultimate MvC 3/MvC 3 DLC, but was axed at the 11th hour. I also agree with those of you who said that Mega Man X should be the one included in the game. However, I think many of you don’t quite understand why all of that took place. You see, the creators of Mega Man, Tokuro Fujiwara and Keiji Inafune left Capcom. And not on good terms, from what I’ve been told. So because of this, Capcom has decided to wash their hands of Mega Man and purge their calendars of any Mega Man related projects. In essence, they want to “Benoit” Mega Man (any WWE Fans out there will no what my reference is to). Unlike WWE, though, it seems that Capcom isn’t planning on purging their history of Mega Man since they ARE making that PSP Combo Pack. They’re just not going to further the franchise. It is my understanding, though I’ve not heard through official channels, that Capcom is planning on making Zero their new Mega Man. How that’s going to work, I don’t know, but he’s all over the place right now. But yes, that’s why Legends 3 and Universe were canceled and why Mega was axed from the MvC 3 Roster at the last minute. Personally, I think the decision was stupid and juvenile, but at the end of the day, it’s Capcom’s decision. I would have loved to see a Legends 3. I was stoked for Universe. And I think it’s stupid that he’s not in MvC 3. But does that make MvC 3 a bad game? No. Does it make MvC 3 a game I don’t want to buy? No. It just means I’m going to have deal with the fact that a character that’s been a staple in the Versus Games, a character that was a cornerstone of Capcom, and a character that I love isn’t going to be in the game. It sucks, but it’s not the end of the world.
Before I end this long rant/response, I would just like to say that if you look at the MvC 3 Roster, it isn’t really bad. And, also, I just realized that Capcom did something with this game that they’ve never done. They took a chance and decided to showcase the Main Characters from their most popular and beloved franchises, new and old (with the exception of Mega Man… bastards). If you look at MvC and MvC 2, the bulk of Capcom’s characters were from fighting games. But in 3, they actually brought in a slew of characters that one wouldn’t think would be in a fighting game. The Bionic Commando. Chris Redfield. Dante. Arthur. Firebrand. Phoenix Wright (and yes, I’m a HUGE Phoenix Wright fan, so sue me if I’m heavily marking out for his debut into the fighting arena). And then they have their staples. Ryu. Morrigan. Zero. Strider. They’re effectively leveling the playing field and are saying, “The Versus Arena isn’t just for fighters any more. This affects the entirety of the Capcom Universe and those who inhabit that universe should be able and willing to defend it, regardless if they’re an inherent fighter or not.” Personally, I think it’s an interesting step and a ballsy one. They’re daring to put the Main Heroes and Villains of their Core Franchises at the forefront of their premiere crossover fighting game and that’s a move that I’m willing to support. Is the Roster perfect? Not by a long shot. But Ultimate’s Roster is far better than the Original Roster. With the re-balancing and inclusion of a Spectator Mode, and a lower price point than the Original, it’s a game I’m definitely going to be buying. And if that makes me “An Evil Fanboy,” then I guess I’m “An Evil Fanboy.”
So you think people who bought the first game shouldn’t have expected it to be a finished product? “but come on. It’s not like MvC 3 is a bad game” no but it was a badly made game.
Sorry but releasing an unfinished game is the height of stupidity when it comes to quality control and no matter what you say there is really not enough new stuff in UMVC3 to make me think it would be worth a purchase.
I wouldn’t pay for any bug fixing DLC because that is something they should sort out through testing before release or after with patches if they’re rushing it. As for the new characters I would never spend more then a fiver for a bundle and like I’ve said I haven’t bothered to download Shuma Gorath or Jill Valentine so why would I drop 30-40 quid on a whole roster of characters most of whom Im indifferent to.
Say what? You’re accusing Joe of being fake? Clearly you haven’t been watching his videos, nor do you understand where he’s coming from. First of all, even though his words are scripted, he really IS angry. He’s not acting. I’m sure that if you were to meet him in person and you got into a discussion about Ultimate MvC3, he won’t throw a hissy fit like in the video, but his opinion of the game would still be what he says it is in the video. Second, he isn’t a corporate toady who’s afraid of getting fired or his sponsoring yanked if he says something REALLY bad about a game (or demands a boycott). Blip.tv (where he gets his sponsoring) and WordPress (which hosts Blistered Thumbs) have nothing to do with the video game industry. The point is, Joe can and does say anything he very well pleases, even going so far as to tell his viewers not to buy a game. He’s done it before and he’ll do it again if a game and a company start blipping on his bullshit radar. He’s REAL, and that’s why his viewers love him!
join me : http://www.facebook.com/pages/Boycott-Capcom/141270842615004
maybe if it get big enough we’ll get heard….hope that angry joe would promote this
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Oh yeah, that worked so well for the Sonic fanboys crying about Sonic 4 or the L4D fanboys that bitched about L4D2! Dude, I’ve learned the hard way that boycotting doesn’t. do. fucking. shit. You’re not gonna change that, period.
Though I lack the desire to boycott Capcom, I thought that I would like you to know taht your Facebook page has been referenced in my petition for Capcom to add more gameplay features to Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 so that it is a fuller, more worthy game!
I would appreciate it if you linked your boycott page to my petition (http://www.ipetitions.com/petitions/gameplayumvc3) so that we can at least get Capcom to act more like a better game company.
Ok, to all the Mega Man fans out there. I ask you a simple question. Which Mega Man do you want? Mega Man X? Classic Mega Man? Legends Mega Man? A different Mega Man?
Tell me which Mega Man should capcom chose to stop people from yelling “Boo, why did they chose *Insert Mega Man in game here*, they should have gone with *Insert what this one fan wanted Mega Man here* instead!”
Yeah that’s exactly what I expect to happen if Mega Man gets revealed and it turns out it’s not Mega Man X like the majority wanted. Personally, I don’t care at this point. Just give me any version of Mega Man, they all have decent enough moveset potential. But if I had to chose: either X or EXE/Battle Network.
So let me get this straight… No Venom, no Carnage, no sabretooth, no War Machine, no Juggernaut, no Psylocke, no Rogue, or any other badass character like that!? WHAT. THE. FUCK: CAPCOM?!?!? Out of 8000 MARVEL characters you choose Hawkeye? Sure Ghostrider is awsome… But again… None of the guys I pointed out earlier!? And that’s another thing I don’t like about the original game, Out of every, fucking character in the MARVEL universe… WHY DID YOU CHOOSE M.O.D.O.K!??!?!?! REALLY???? WHY HIM??? He’s like one of the lamest characters in MARVEL ((In my opinion)) I’m so pissed, that my wide angle lense is about to burst!
Capcom decided the characters they chose were better and would be more fun to play as. Plus not all those characters from the 90′s are the same these days. Venom for example, or atleast the Eddie Brooks, one, the one from MvC2. Isn’t THE Venom anymore, he’s Anti-Venom now. Seems like Capcom just didn’t chose your roster. Not everyone would want to play as War Machine for example, since he would probably play exactly like Iron Man anyway. Hawkeye won’t be a clone of someone else in the game.
To be fair, they could just put Anti-Venom in instead. I mean, he’s appearing in Spiderman: Crack in Time anyways so it’s not like they don’t have an excuse to put him in another game. Or just use Venom’s current host, Flash Thompson. Or just use Carnage anyways. He’s been doing stuff recently too. (He just got done appearing in a new miniseries and there’s another along the way)
I’ve said it on his YouTube link, I was going to say it here again to Joe’s face so you might as well listen too: (Of course if you have a different reason to bitch about Hawkeye and I find it creditable, please ignore the following. If not, pay attention) Joe, you know shit about Hawkeye and you failed to do the research most casual Marvel fans who don’t read the comics should do.
-Hawkeye has been around since 1964, joining the Avengers a year later. He’s been such a long running member, I tend to forget he’s not a founding member of the team.
-Hawkeye has temporarily been a member of the Defenders and leader to the reformed first generation Thunderbolts.
-Hawkeye has married fellow Avenger Mockingbird.
-Hawkeye has been prominently featured in a variety of Marvel cartoons and is currently a main character in the current Avengers cartoon: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, was playable in the obscure Avengers arcade game by Data East and as a downloadable character in the 360 version of Ultimate Alliance 1, and despite your jaded beliefs, isn’t just cameoing in the Thor movie but will appear in the Avengers movie.
So yeah, Hawkeye has more of a reason to be in this than say Rocket Raccoon. At least the haters of him have more of a reason to bitch. (What’s he done lately anyways aside from joining the Guardians of the Galaxy and planned to appear in Season 2 of EMH?)
And to blame Hawkeye for being the reason for Mega Man’s absence. 1) You’re blaming a Marvel character for taking the slot of a Capcom character instead of another Capcom character and 2) Marvel has the say on which of their characters makes the roster.
So yeah, next time, do some extra research and chose your words wisely before you open your big mouth.
And @TheWebHead. Uh I can agree with you on Venom/Carnage and Psylocke but as for your other character choices. First of all, we have enough X-Men as it is. I don’t think a repeat of MvC2′s “lets make the majority of the roster nothing but X-Men and Street Fighter” mentality is a good thing. And second, well Rogue doesn’t even have her original powers that she had in MvC2 anymore so you’re better off asking for Ms. Marvel, (Unless they completely redid her moveset to be more up-to-date) Juggernaut’s currently possessed by a magic hammer in the Fear Itself event and that might conflict with his lack of presence, War Machine would play to similar to Iron Man and isn’t Sabertooth currently dead?
Also I think Jean Grey/Phoenix is a bigger waste of space than MODOK.
Also to those who believe capcom couldn’t release the DLC. Super Street Fighter 4 has a DLC patch that will upgrade it to Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade, and that came out this summer if I remember right. So take that into consideration when you want to defend capcom for this choice.
My friends and I have talk at lengths about this…. Fuck Capcom….
I might get banned for this, and I’m sure it’s already been said, but… Shut the fuck up about character choices, Joe. If there’s one thing not to argue about, it’s the characters they put in. ALL of the new characters are pretty cool.
I literally stopped the video when you said six of the characters were useless crap, and then said that Hawkeye is just “a guy with a bow,” with this incredulous look on your face, because obviously in your head if you’ve never heard of him before he’s gotta be shit.
,’:[
That aside this expansion is a bit early. I’m probably going to buy it, because I knew it was coming and waited instead of buying the first edition.
Lastly, get over MML3 being canceled.
I might get banned for this, and I’m sure it’s already been said, but… Shut the fuck up about character choices, Joe. If there’s one thing not to argue about, it’s the characters they put in. ALL of the new characters are pretty cool.
I literally stopped the video when you said six of the characters were useless crap, and then said that Hawkeye is just “a guy with a bow,” with this incredulous look on your face, because obviously in your head if you’ve never heard of him before he’s gotta be shit.
,’:[
That aside this expansion is a bit early. I’m probably going to buy it, because I knew it was coming and waited instead of buying the first edition.
Lastly, get over MML3 being canceled.
Okay, Im gonna have to tear your ass up. Okay first things first, you YOU CLICKED ON A VIDEO THAT CLEARLY SAID RANT! Don't bitch at Joe ranting when he CLEARLY FUCKING SAID it was a rant.
Now that that is over lets get to why your completely fuckin wrong. For starters, I'm sure just about anyone can say "yeah that guy is okay, but I wouldn't play him." That or "I could care less playing [insert name here]” Honestly. Who the hell wanted to play the pterodactyl thing. Sure as a character to play as who wouldn’t simply play a character. If it was in as original content that started on in the game [like crappy ass aurthor or she hulk] it would be acceptable. Im not saying those are crap characters but no one, no one in their right mind though “Oh boy, i hope they put int AURTHOR.” Now if the damn dinosaur would have been orginal content then fine. BUT YOU WOULD HONESTLY PAY THREE DOLLARS AND THIRTY THREE CENTS TO PLAY HIM!?!?!?!? HONESTLY!?!?!?!? You can get a damn indie game or better game content for 3 dollars. You can try to bull shit all you want but no one in their god damn mind would wanna pay THREE FUCKING DOLLARS PER CHARACTER AS DLC.
Next HAWK EYE IS SHIT. Okay you don’t believe me? I got one thing to say. Do you know why hawk eye isn’t getting his own movie for the avenger team up? HAWK EYE WILL NOT PAY FOR ITSELF! I’m sorry you have you can’t control your fanboy juices for hawk eye but he simply isn’t a character that marvel can depend on to bring in profit. They have Xmen, Iron man, thor, and avengers. Continuing series they could focus on instead of focusing on starting up a new series of movies. If anything, maybe one day they will try if avengers does well and people respond well to seeing hawk eye in the same way people responded to puss in boots from the shrek films. Hawk eye is an archer, that is it. He has a bow. The same could be said for captain america having a shield but at least he can fight in hand to hand combat and has history behind him and arguing that hawk eye could also use his fists or a close range weapon to fight as well ONLY RAISES THE QUESTION OF WHY THE HELL YOU’D MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT HIM WHEN YOU CAN MAKE A BETTER MOVIE WITH A HERO WHO WILL PAY FOR THEMSELVES.
Lastly, Joe just brings up a good point. If you don’t buy tihs “new edition” and merely wait for the more intelligent outcome to happen, you’d save money just buying the old edition and paying your precise three dollars per character on dlc. You’d get your damn hawk eye and all those other characters [no doubt in my mind pheonix wright is one of them] and play at a much cheaper price.
If anything, I could agree with you in saying you were getting the game because you didn’t get the first one. If I got it, it would only be because I didn’t get the first one, but you could easily just rent the game for a week, get all the hype out of your system and save 33 dollars that can be better spent getting a real game.
Don’t bag on Joe because you can’t settle your boner.
Couldn’t say it better myself.
“hawk eye is an archer, that is it. He has a bow. The same could be said for captain america having a shield but at least he can fight in hand to hand combat”
See, this is nothing but pure ignorance. If you don’t care for Hawkeye, that’s fine and dandy. You’re entitled to you opinion, as long as you know what the hell you’re talking about. Hawkeye spent quite a while a Ronin, a ninja type warrior, and he used swords instead of a bow. Saying that he’s only good with a bow is just bullshit.
Also the whole logic behind “it sucks because it’s not popular” is just moronic. You think that half of the characters there would be able to have their own movies? I can’t wait for the Shuma Gorath film.
i mean i would be ok with this release if it was DLC instead of having to buy a new copy i mean street fighter 4 gave us that option to either buy a new copy for those who havnt bought the game yet or for those who did to just get the patch to keep playing. i know last post i was still mad, from hearing this stuff about 2 weeks before this review came out. i mean i really really REALLY wanted this to be a good game but it feels so broken. it just feels like capcom isnt trying to keep there loyal players with them for reasons i dont know. i would just rather have them do it over again or even give us just the first MVC for console arcade im looking forward to 3rd strike just please capcom dont ruin a good thing
1. I knew this was coming when the first version came out. If you look at the way capcom loves to re-release games with a few changes it’s no real shock.
2. I love how they are trying to kill megaman yet are releasing a double pack of Powered Up and Maverick Hunter on the PSP. But not even releases Legends 1 and 2 or Misadventure to make nice with the Legend fans for canceling MML3.
3. Anyone who believes the tsunami was the reason is not really smart. If they don’t have the ability to transfer DLC via the internet then they could have waited. Because printing a new set of discs and making new adverts is just as much as a waste of money if not more. That and given capcom’s track record I don’t believe them anyway.
4. Thanks for the big middle finger to the Phoenix Wright fans, you won’t release Ace Investigations 2 yet you will push this out all for the sake of “balance” which can be done via a online patch.
Well the people that bought the first MVC would be the larger fan base and they were wronged buy this game. What Capcom should have done was hold off on this version once they fixed the old one and then publish this UMVC to get those hard to reach Gamers. This game has been half assed from the beginning. Hell SF 4 at least took a year to publish SSF 4. This is another half assed installment and we as gamer’s shouldn’t allow this to happen, WITH ANY GAME! If this was some other fighting game which didn’t offer what other fighting games have been setting the bar to then we would fucking tell that game to fuck off, but once you throw in “Fanboys” of a certain series who would fucking die for this game so that it wouldn’t be blemished then we have a feud going on. See the bigger picture here. This game could have been so much more AT THE BEGINNING. Developers need to know that we as Gamers want our favorite franchises to be treated with care.
really, all I’m hearing is bullshit, Joe should have researched this more. Apparently this was going to be a DLC feature. However the Japanese Tsunami/Earthquake crippled the production schedule. Think of that what you will but I say it’s a pretty legit reason. and as for the update. does anyone remember how many different street fighters there are? it went from street fighter 2 to god know how many, I’m not sure why the hell people are raging over this. sure I question the characters but i dont demand that they follow what the fans want. they did that for megaman legends 3, but they scrapped that. the only things I disliek about it is the lack of tournaments and some character choices (really, rocket raccoon? I would prefer servbot) other than that i have no probelm than this game
Most people aren’t buying the excuse and the fact capcom is using that is an insult to everyone affected by the disaster. It’s not so much that capcom would be bowing to what the fans want, so much as they excluded what should be standard to fighting games at this point.
And you ask why people are pissed compared to what they did with street fighter? Joe pointed out exactly why it is worse than super street fighter 4, which actually a fair amount of content and was reasonable in comparison
How was their production schedule “crippled” by the tsunami and earthquake when Osaka is located on the OPPOSITE SIDE OF JAPAN!?
I never played this game at all.. however i’m gonna agree with joe.
I feel as if the game is lacking things.. i mean for capcom, the Main man Mega Man is not part of the game. Also, were going through a hard time.. we can’t fork out money for the characters and the new game.. capcom and marvel should make the games updated downloadable.. and updated.. that would clear everything up nicely.
Honestly, I’m with Joe on this one…When you can get both Mass Effect games for less than this thing that should have been DLC or included in the first place, that’s a bit too much.
That said, what’s with the anti-Hawkeye vibe? Why did that Racoon I don’t even recognize get less hate than Hawkeye? Hawkeye is awesome! Oh, well…at least he didn’t hate on Iron Fist.
The argument is this game will be new, and you couldn’t buy Mass Effect 1 and 2 when it was new for that price. They were $60 each at launch. Likewise this game will also go down in price from launch to, probably even more if another version is made.
Honestly hate on characters come from everything. They could announce Batman was in the game and people would still hate him. Probably because it’s “Not Mega Man”. And trust me, the day they announce Mega Man, there will be hate because it’s “Not Classic Mega Man” or “Not Mega Man X”. It’s lose-lose regardless.
They said they did have plans to release more dlc characters but the earthquakes stopped them from doing that and they decided that it wold be more cost effective to do this i think not entirely sure but that is probably why they did this. I’m gonna get it because I didn’t get the first one.
Think big, once you think big things get smaller. computers love small stuff like microchips and what have you.
Honestly I wouldn’t say don’t buy it, as much of a waste as it is to buy the game essentially for a second time. Really the only excuse to buy it would be for people like me who don’t already own it and want the game. But they should release the characters as DLC individually for people whom already own the original. Sigh @ big corporations that just like to shove big sharp sticks up your ass (and through your wallet) while dangling shiny “new” keys in front of you.
I can’t believe they think they can do this! It’s just outrageous! We’re in a recession, people like me can’t go out and spend shit tons of money for a D. L. C.
And I only want two characters, Nemesis and Ghost Rider.
They have plenty of money, they just want to see how much they can gouge us, which is just horrible. Thank you Joe, I hope people listen and don’t buy it!
Someone should do a top 10 list “TOP 10 GAMES TO BUY INSTEAD OF UMVC3″
a online archive of all the heros would be cool.
Coming from a different point of view.
If you are familiar with magic the gathering or yugioh TCG. They release a set of
new cards every 5 months or so in which you can add cards to your
deck, make a new deck or whatever. These cards some times cost $100+
for play sets of the card or you have to buy random crap from packs
that you don’t want just to get the stuff you want.
There are even times when you are going through your common crap cards that you come across a card that you would never think to use until you fight someone using it in an awesome way(and he or she kicks your ass with it).
To me all these characters are like a new set of cards. Yeah I have to
buy all of them to get the ones I want, but I might find one that I
like with one of my old characters. If you think of each team as a
deck say, captain america, hulk, storm deck. Each character has three
supers+, 3 assists and there own set of combos and work with each other in there own different way just like a deck would have. If I take out storm for nemesis then I have 3 different supers
and 3 different assists that I can work with that I did not have
before. Maybe now with nemesis’s assist I can do a combo with hulk
that I could not have before(for example if nemesis has an assist that
OTGs) I could do an air combo into nemesis OTG into hulk air combo again into a super and then DHC(delayed hyper combo) into nemesis super. That is an awesome combo!
What do I get with Mortal kombat? I get Subzero same combo over and over with ONE(DLC XRAY MOVES WARNER BROS PLEASE!!! I WANT MORE SUPERS!) super that I have see a million times.
In marvel I can do any of my 3 supers into an assist or a super that I can Xfactor into another super which I can then DHC into another super and then use my ground bounce do an air combo, use an OTG assist into another combo into another super.
With 12 new characters that opens up thousands of more combos and possibilities and team creation. 12 new characters translates to 36 new supers, 36 new assists, 100+ new combos, and thousands of new team combos using assists and team super combos.
You drastically underestimate the amount of work that goes into one marvel character vs one mortal kombat character.
The reason why this is a standalone game is because of the earthquake disrupting the DLC development schedule. So after all this time they decided “Hey, let’s just release it as a standalone and address some of the things that fans have been clamoring for.”
Nevermind the fact that the Arcade Edition of Super Street Fighter IV was released as a standalone AND as a cheaper DLC upgrade. So for all we know, they’re going that route as well.
Okay, so if Capcom wanted to “Address the fans’ concerns”, then why the fuck is there STILL no real story mode? Why in the hell have they not fixed character endings to be ACTUAL ENDINGS instead of still shots?
And where in the bloody-fucking-hell is our goddamn TOURNAMENT MODE!?
Sorry,a lot your complaints are valid (and I don’t care about MvC, or any fighting game, either way), but believe or not there are people who read comics and who care about some of those characters you complained about. Iron Fist and Rocket Raccoon have been in some of Marvel’s best recent storylines and Dr. Strange and Hawkeye (he’s more than just a guy with a bow) are a Marvel staples. I don’t care about 99% of Capcom’s roster, but I’m not going to assume everyone feels the same way. If I actually cared about playing MvC, I’d actually be excited about playing some of my favorite Marvel characters. Iron Fist fits the “fighter” theme a lot more than some of the others.
Dude, did you even watch the video at all? Joe understands that other people may enjoy these characters, however not everyone likes all 12 of them. So it would make sense for them to just put out these new characters as DLC. Now i know you don’t care about this game but let me accurately depict what it be like if your not a “FANBOY” but an actual lover of this game series and what it has done in the past. You should be pissed off that they would use these characters as a sales whores and not chosen for there fan base. When you look at arcade fighters roster and can think of more heavy hitters than what has been offered then there is a problem. You are entitled to your opinion ratcatcher but really think about what Capcom has done here.
Ok, so If I defend characters from someone who knows nothing about them, that makes me a fanboy? That’s the internet for you – if you like something you’re a fanboy. I could just as easily call you an Angry Joe fanboy.
The whole point of Marvel vs Capcom is to appeal to fans of both fighting games and Marvel comic books. People who aren’t familiar with the comics will then familiarize themselves with the Marvel Characters. There wer efar more obscure characters put in the previous MvCs. Nobody gave a shit about Shuma Gorath, not even comic fans.
You’re not going to know how good characters are until you play them. Let me put it this way, when Street Fighter was first released, did anyone give a shit about any of the characters before playing them? No.
Like I said, I agree with his points about Capcom being cheats and whatever, but I don’t agree with his opinion that characters he knows nothing about are crap.
“Ok, so If I defend characters from someone who knows nothing about them, that makes me a fanboy?”
Woah, woah, slow down there, I don’t think you read that right.
Eenyo said, “Now i know you don’t care about this game but let me accurately depict what it be like if your not a “FANBOY” but an actual lover of this game series and what it has done in the past.”
So he was referring to the idea of MvC fanboys out there, he never actually called YOU one. I think you got a little bent out of shape for nothin’. =D
nah i already felt butt fucked when an entire roster that was MVC2 had a better impact then MVC3 itself , then when i heard the leak of characters i was pissed to no end NO MEGA MAN, NO JIN, NO ROUGE, NO GAMBIT, NO VENOM NO THANOS NO B.B.HOOD NO GUILE NO ZANGIEF…. AMINGO SON SON DO I NEED TO CONTINUE!!!!! granted the only downfall with marvel vs capcom 2 is that there was no random but even with the DLC release of that game we had game lobby’s and spectator it was bad enough to buy this game and watch your friends game card fuckin each other i bought this game thinking this was going to be the new MVC BLOCKBUSTER WE ALL hoped to expect but some how we have gone from “Capcom thank you for playing.” to “Capcom FUCK YOU for playing” i should have to be angry over these games but this takes the fucken cake granted i would trade this game in but its even worthless for trade value cause capcom once again screwed us loyal gamers over and dont even get me started about darkstalkers and mega man legends 3 possibly getting canned
And MvC2 had no Deadpool, no Thor, no Dante, no Zero, no Viewtiful Joe, no Amaterasu, no Wesker, no Phoenix, no Dormammu, no Dr Strange, no Ghost Rider…
Im sorry, listing all these character differences made me forget what your point was.
nah i already felt butt fucked when an entire roster that was MVC2 had a better impact then this game itself when i heard the leak of characters i was pissed to no end NO MEGA MAN, NO JIN, NO ROUGE, NO GAMBIT, NO VENOM NO THANOS NO B.B.HOOD NO GUILE NO ZANGIEF…. it was bad enough to buy this game and watch your friends game card fuckin each other i bought this game thinking this was going to be the new MVC BLOCKBUSTER WE ALL hoped to expect but some how we have gone from “Capcom thank you for playing.” to “Capcom FUCK you for playing” i should have to be angry over these games but this takes the fucken
You know, a few years ago this would’ve all been added by patches, capitalism at work guys, nothing we can do about it except for not buying the game.
Know what people should buy instead?
Strike Fighter Third Strike Online. No really, 15$ for a lot of features and a great fighting system that has a lot of depth to it.
Anyway, I’m feeling a bit mixed when it comes to this and I’ll explain it all in a long, eye bleeding post!
New Characters:
Despite what you saying “Nobody cares about half of these characters” I actually plan on having Hawkeye and Rocket Raccon on my teams if I end up buying this game. I’m excited about almost all of them, the exception being Virgil and Nemisis (For the time being, not sure how he will play.)
However, I understand what point you’re trying to make in the video “I shouldn’t be forced to buy all the characters if I only want 2-3.”
I can’t share your opinion on that, because if you go to a local fighting game tourney and bring a game, unless DLC characters are banned or something, you’ll need all the DLC in order for it to be useful. So in this case, it’s definitely bad for a more casual fan, but a better deal for a person who would get them all anyway, because at 5$ each, 12 characters would be more than 40$.
Also: Marvel has a large say on who gets in on their side, as already been stated by Capcom, so you can’t lay all the blame on Capcom for Marvel wanting to push certain characters.
Gameplay Balance:
I’m on the fence about this as well, but not for the same reason you were. I don’t really want a slew of patches or updates all the time, because that doesn’t give a chance for a game to evolve and strategies to be formed, and in all honesty MvC3 isn’t so bad when it comes to balance that you can call it Broken.
On the other side, I won’t mind if Phoenix gets a nerf and Ryu/Captain America get buffs. But that’s just my inner fanboy talking.
Features:
Agree with you on this point, unless they reveal new features, then this section will be a massive dissapointment. I would be happy if a Tournament mode was added, I can live without Team Battles.
Overall:
Like I said, I can see why a casual fan of MvC3 would be completely put off by this, other than the new moves certain characters are going to get they might not notice much, and if you only wanted say 4 characters out of the 12, then you’re being ripped off. (It would only even out if you were going to buy 8 or more.) and spectator mode really should be standard.
So overall, through my rambling I have to agree with you mostly, though I understand why people who enjoy the fighting game community will buy it anyway, and I don’t hold it against them. I know unless UMvC3 either has something left to reveal, or Phoenix Wright, Hawkeye and Rocket Raccon are bloody amazing, I’ll stick to Third Strike Online.
No really, buy Third Strike Online, Youtube Uploading, multiple graphic filters, arcade perfect, ggpo online, It’ll be bloody amazing and only $15.
Yes, I’m sure the countless Yun vs Yun, Yun vs Chun, Chun vs Chun (with a few Kens thrown in) will really be a great bargain.
(Also, don’t you already own that game?)
Totally with you on this one Joe, this is my first time being screwed over like this too. I mean I’m not sure where I’m insulted the most, cause there’s a thousand ways. One is that this -can- all be put on DLC, and I do like your thinking of just seperating every character into it’s own pack like MK, it’s just alot better. Second is the price drop, I mean it’s good in the sense that it’s cheaper, but I paid $60 for an unfinished game, and then your supposedly “Finished” one is only $40? I mean I get the reason why it’s cheaper, but that still doesn’t excuse the fact that I paid twenty bucks more for the shit version.
But hey man, I’m with you totally on this one, I’m not buying another version of this game. I’ll probably have my hands full playing better games with more shit to do in them like….oh I don’t know, the new Dues Ex that’s coming out or the HD remake of No More Heroes. Also, WTF capcom, how could you ignore MEGAMAN!? I’m not even a huge fan of megaman, but seeing as you just cancelled his game that was supposed to be coming out, you think you could atleast put him in the UMVC 3
I’m with you 100%, Joe. It’s downright shameful of Capcom to break their promises to the fans, and to add insult to injury, they don’t even include half the stuff in the new version that they should be if they want to justify a full retail release. No-one would have bought Hawkeye or Ricochet Raccoon if they were DLC characters, but since it’s a full retail game Capcom has taken away our ability to choose not to buy them, while not even giving us characters that we want, like Mega Man, Gambit, Psylocke, Venom, and many others who were hotly requested by fans. This disc will be a waste of plastic, and I bet it will be obsolete a year later when they release yet ANOTHER version.
I am going to skip this piece of crap. Maybe if Capcom actually puts some effort into the third edition I’d consider buying it, but MVC3 is a no-buy for me. Capcom does not keep their promises to the fanbase and doesn’t even do the things that they ask for, and I don’t think they should be rewarded for it. As much as Activision gets ragged on for milking Call of Duty, at least they do exactly what they say they will, even if I think a lot of it is irritating.
Joe your forgeting one big hole in your argument. How about the people like me who didint buy MVC3. Why should we miss out on the game. Yea it sucks people got screwed who bought MVC3 first time around but im not going to miss out on this game cause of that im sorry.
You can pick it up for $10 at Gamestop, so either way you’d be paying less than what we early adopters did. It’s just that now, we early adopters have to either buy another copy of the game that includes a bunch of crap we don’t want and barely any crap we do want, or else we get none of the stuff that Capcom promised us for the original version. They lied to us, broke their promises to us, and disappointed us, and yet some of the fanboys are going to reward them for their bad behavior anyway.
This, “I didn’t buy the last one so I’ll buy this one.” argument is ridiculous. If you didn’t care enough to buy the first version, why do you really care enough to buy this one? You’re not missing out on much. Joe is asking for you to not reward Capcom for these tactics by buying this “Ultimate” version. If you want to make a statement, buy the original!
Given Capcom, I do expect once they’ve suckered enough people to slap more money down, they’ll give all the new characters to the original as DLC for about 5$ for three characters, in a sense making money and ripping customers off twice.
I think Joe’s biggest issue is they fucked this game over in the first place. That’s the issue Whats to stop companies and other developers from doing this to other games. I’ll tell you. Don’t buy it when they do.
Give all the new characters a chance. Hell, Rocket Raccoon is a freaking RACCOON WITH GUNS. You cannot get much more badass than that.
There’s a lot that I have to agree with you on, Joe. As much as Capcom used to be one of the best companies in the industry, they’ve slipped lately and forgot that they used to be about the fanbase – doing things the fans wanted, so the money came in for good intentions.
However, much of your rant talks about how they “should have released this as DLC” and, to be honest? I don’t think so. What I THINK they should have done is delayed the game and released the “Ultimate” version AS THE ORIGINAL MVC3!
See, these updates you believe should have been DLC were actually planned as DLC. Unfortunately, the Japan tsunami incident screwed up their schedules and, instead of doing everything as DLC (like you said), they decided to release it as a full retail game.
And there was the problem. Those 12 characters were planned DLC – they WANTED you to pay the extra money for those characters to be put in the game. Considering they were about $8 a piece, you’re looking at $96 for the full set! NINETY-SIX DOLLARS… ON TOP OF THE ORIGINAL GAME!
Actually, that makes the retail disk a discount… talk about a mindfuck…
But the problem for me is that those 12 characters and spectator mode should have been in the game from the get-go… since they ALREADY PLANNED THEM TO BE IN THE GAME! That way, they’d have something much less disappointing than was expected.
As for the balance tweaks, I’m glad, but not surprised. MVC2 had terrible character balance as well. I don’t think UMVC3 will be much better, but at least they’ll likely nerf the overpowered characters (especially Phoenix, who was used by the winner of this year’s EVO tournament and was booed because of it).
I totally see where your anger is, Joe, but to be honest, I think it’s a bit misplaced. I’d be mad at Capcom and the MVC dev team for not giving us this game in the first place.
And as for Megaman? Oh, you can bet I’m pissed off about that too… ESPECIALLY when Capcom had not one, but TWO Megaman games in the works and SCRAPPED THEM BOTH!
I find hilarious how people are bashing X character just for being ignorant about it. For example, a lot of people bashed Dormammu because “WTF WHO’S THIS SHIT”, and when the game came out, guess what? He’s one of the most used characters in tournaments and online matchs.
I don’t see any problem with all these newcomers, sure, we all miss Megaman, Venom, Captain Freaking Commando, but give these new characters a chance.
Every one of these characters has a fanbase. Phoenix Wright has a fanbase, Rocket Racoon has one as well, Iron Fist is well-known in the Marvel universe, etc. But you can’t put a character instead of another just because YOU don’t read comic books, or never played the games. You can pray all you want for a character that was in the previous games, but at least give a chance on the new faces before go like every rant I watched on youtube and bashed almost everyone.
IMHO, I found Rocket Racoon, Nova and Iron Fist an INTERESTING choice, not bad, not a waste of slot but INTERESTING, and I’m waiting for the character’s trailers.
And for the people who are bashing Phoenix Wright just for being a NON-FIGHTING character, go ahead, tell me if Norimaro (MvsSF), Mars People (SNKvsC Chaos), Servot, Saki (she has a gun, I know, but still) and even Roll has some FIGHTING MOVES.
if u dont have red dead redemption they r selling that fore 40$… buy that dont waste ur monney on this shit
The lack of information this “reviewer” and the people commenting on this video possess is hilarious and saddening.
First off, all of the content in Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 was initially planned as DLC. They had a concrete release schedule for the DLC lined up. And then the tsunami hit Japan. The crippling effect this disaster had on the Japanese game market derailed the schedule, and Capcom decided that it would be more fair for the consumer to get all of the DLC on a single disc.
The price of the content on this disc is significantly less than if the DLC was charged at the same price as the current game’s DLC is. 12 new characters at 5 dollars each is WAY more than the $40 they are selling UMvC3 for, not to mention the countless gameplay tweaks and reblanaces they are adding to the game that they WOULD BE UNABLE TO DO VIA DLC.
There is an inherent problem with DLC characters in fighting games. Namely, that when you go to a fighting game tournament, it’s very likely that the console you’ll be playing on won’t have the DLC characters downloaded. Because of this, DLC characters are often outright banned from tournaments. To keep the game competitive, it’s far easier to ensure that every game disc has the same content on it, rather than make sure every PSN or Xbox Live account for every console spends the money on the DLC.
This update is a welcome change to a game that was MORE than complete upon release, and the bitching and false entitlement people express is just offensive. Either do your research or shut up, or you’ll make yourself look like you don’t know what you’re talking about. Which, as a “professional reviewer” is extremely detrimental to your image and subsequently your “profession”.
The characters should be DLC. It makes it easier to pick and choose who you want and you don’t have to trade in the game for it’s minimal trade back cost. I’m really only interested in each of the Capcom characters so it would’ve been nice to just get a DLC pack with them in it.
No Mega Man or any Robot Masters or Mavericks for that matter, some dumb raccoon and a lawyer? Yeah, he’ll paper cut you to death or his super combo will be ACLU or something like that.
Please. How about……Mega Man, War Machine, Carnage, Gutsman, Yellow Demon, The Thing, Hugo, Commando Joe, a hidden boss with Fin Fang Foom?
If I want to play a cross over fighting game, I’ll wait for Super Utimate Turbo Hyper fighting Marvel vs Capcom 3, thankyouverymuch!
CASHCOM is at it again! I have noticed this consumer insulting trend with them for a long time. The problem is they are getting even more brazen about it now. At this point all you can expect from CASHCOM is this sort of stuff. Pretty much anything they come out with these days is bare bones & incomplete. They either expect you to buy DLC or wait for the “super” edition to come out (both actually). Their business model is a slap in the face to loyal gamers. I’m planning on getting SF3 online and after that I will be taking a very long hiatus from buying anything with CAPCOM’s name on it. Pricks
Unfortunately this is going to keep happening with games like this from capcom. These are tournament fighting games that are popular. So you can’t win the closest tourney if you don’t have the latest and greatest. Is it sad? Yes indeed. I feel cheated more than I can say. Personally i think that saying there are going to be 2 good characters is kind of a stretch before you see how they are played. I didn’t think Spenser would be good but I love him. I think the raccoon is just another Servebot but we will see.
Bottom line is if capcom released the characters in packs then there would be no clear yes or no on who is a “legal” character for the tournaments. This way we are forced to deal with all of them.
You know I don’t recall anyone compaining about Tatsunoko VS Capcom when it was released, at best, the complaint was “Why aren’t Capcom Making Marvel VS Capcom 3″. Most Americans haven’t even heard of Half the Characters in the game. And yet that didn’t matter, because they instead just wanted to play the game. They even made a petition for Capcom to release it in the United States. I don’t think it was the character line-up that did that. I think it was because people wanted to play what was a great fighting game. And all I’m seeing here is Capcom releasing an expansion to an already great fighting game.
I confronted a friend of mine about the Capcom vs games and their lack of content, he said it was okay as long as the gameplay and roster were good, since it has a strong multiplayer focus. I told him that was merely adequate, and ANY game needs to be able to stand on it’s single player experience, which this game kind of fails since all there really is is an arcade mode that’s over in like 20 minutes and missions which are supposed to be mostly for completionists. As an example I held up Super Smash Bros, which also has a strong multiplayer focus, but also has several modes for single players besides the arcade, including a story mode which is an epic side scrolling beat ‘em up adventure, boss rush, missions, and several other game modes that can allow one person to enjoy the game even without other people to play it with.
Don’t you think this game would have been awesome with something analogous to the subspace emmissary mode from Smash Bros? Where the Capcom characters have to team up with the Marvel heroes to stop some mutual threat? Of course, THAT would require someone to write a script, and where are we going to find a writer? It’s not like we have all the resources of freaking MARVEL STUDIOS OH WAIT WE DO!!!! But it would mean the game would take more than 2 months to develop so you would have to wait longer to line their pockets with fanboy cash…
I’m amazed on how stupid some people are, bashing Joe because they support the work of Capcoms half assed effort on an expansion.
If we buy this lack of content, we are sending a message to not only Capcom, but gaming companies in general, that we will spend a lot of money on games that are half assed. So what do game companies do? Make more half assed games.
You people that supports this game should stop gaming, period. It’s people like that sends the gaming median backwards because you buy fanboy, half-assed, full price, crap.
This is exactly why JRPG’s get their bad rep, because fanboys buy that shit and proceeds to say, it’s good, we want more. It’s one thing to buy it, it’s another to buy it and be good about it.
Don’t believe me? I wonder what happened to Final Fantasy hm? Duke Nukem, we got recharging shields and linear levels, bad multiplayer. Lets not forget Monster Hunter hasn’t left the PS2 era, HD, no loading times and physics? Not coming for that game anytime soon. Oh, where is Kingdom Hearts 3? That’s right, screw that, people really want Birth By Sleep 2 and Kingdom Hearts 3DS, rehashing old levels of the game. This list goes on.
Do the gaming entertainment median a favor if your buying the game after that rant, buy it, then bitch and fuss at Capcom. Tell them they bent you over, !@#$ed you and stole your cash. Maybe they will listen to that as well as their wallets.
Well, Twilight Town is the only known old world in KH3D. All Disney worlds will be ones that haven’t been used before, as confirmed by Nomura already.
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Phew, I was afraid Angry Joe was losing his touch. Good to see him return to form. As for UMvC3, all I’ll say is I had a feeling something like this would happen.
I’m so glad I traded in the first barebones game for mk9. I have no intention of shelling out money for this slap in the face. And I will tread carefully when considering capcom games from now on. I only hope enough people refuse to buy this and capcom gets the message. Though that is unlikely
Thankfully, I took into the fact that Capcom is greedy, remember they released 10 versions of Street Fighter II, and didn’t buy Marvel vs Capcom 3 played my friends copy, so I would buy the updated version, when they released it less than a year from now. And everybody thought I was crazy when I didn’t buy it. Score one for me. You had to be an idiot not to see this coming.
The most annoying thing about this is the inclusion of Phoenix Wright. Don’t get me wrong; I love Ace Attorney and all of its sequels and spinoffs. But Phoenix Wright is about as realistic in a Tournament fighter as Perry Mason. IMO, the only AA character that could be tooled into a fighter is Franziska von Karma. I personally wouldn’t get this expansion based on Joe’s review, and would suck to find out that the AAI2 localization would depend on how much people bought UMvC3 just for Phoenix Wright being in it. I’d think I’ll write a letter to Capcom of America asking them to localize it regardless. We shouldn’t have to jump through hoops to get the sequel to a successfully localized game.
And as for Capcom, they’re a multinational company, with branches in Japan, Europe, and America. We have the capacity to instantaneously send data anywhere in the world that we want. The natural disasters in Japan, while tragic, shouldn’t have impeded them that much.
Also, if PW was fan service, where is Mega Man and Venom? You can’t tell me that any of the characters in the UMvC3 (or most in the original MvC3) were more requested than these two. Say whatever else you want, but you don’t include Robin in a DC game without Batman; you shouldn’t include Zero in a Capcom game without Mega Man. And I can’t even remember when the last time anything “Strider” related came out. The 16-bit era?
It is fanservice, Strider was the number one requested character of the entire game, and Capcom delivered. Plus real fanservice, is the inclusion of Iron Fist and Rocket Raccoon for us die hard Marvel fans. Not adding Venom for the casual comic book reader. I wish Mega Man was in the game though.
Way to end the video by guilt tripping anyone genuinely interested in the game. I don’t need to be told I’m a bad person just because I bought something I like. There are so few games I buy anyway, and now you’re telling me that I’m not allowed to support what little I like?
I’m sorry Joe but trying to manipulate people like that is just wrong.
No, what he’s doing is called “consumer advocacy.” He’s telling you as a consumer not to buy this game because you deserve more. Yeah, it goes above and beyond reviewing a product, but you deserve to get your money’s worth more than Capcom deserves “support.” They rake in millions; why do they need support, anyway? The cold hard fact is that when you buy something, you’re voting for it and other things like it to be put on the shelves.
If you’ve only got $50.00 to spare for say, a quarter or a month, you should really shop around. I’m sure you can find a better way to spend it than this.
@FinalDragoon, I don’t recall anyone forbidding you from spending your money as you please. If you want this game so bad, its your money. Do as you please.
However, at least stop for a moment to consider the other side of things. Let me put it in guilt-free terms, or try to at least.
You wish to support the thing you like, and you have every right to do so with your money. However, you also have the right to demand that your money actually gets results. You have the right to demand quality out of the items you purchase. If you go to a restaurant and order a sandwich with specific toppings, and they just give you two slices of bread, you have the right to refuse to pay. And you should refuse. Why pay your hard-earned money in support of something that gives you next to nothing? Why reward them for doing nothing?
That’s all Joe is saying. If you want it, go buy it. But, one has to wonder why you’d want to spend your money on so little. They didn’t deliver a real expansion, so they don’t deserve real support for it. Gaming companies are guilty of forgetting (or sometimes blatantly refusing) to TRY. Personally, I don’t encourage this total lack of effort on Capcom’s part. You obviously feel differently, however. And that is your choice, and your right.
@Austincovello I went and looked at upcoming game releases for November and saw nothing of interest except for UMvC3. So am I supposed to just burn that $40? Seeing as you think anything else would be a better use for that money.
@Kyoken When I first heard MvC3 was announced, I was excited. I never got the chance to play MvC2 and could never get into it. So I thought “finally, I can be a part of the MvC community that has been building for the past 10 years.” So I bought on release day and thoroughly enjoyed the game, despite what people here seem to be saying.
Now UMvC3 has been announced and there is almost near panning of the game just because Capcom is doing what Capcom always does? I don’t get that after 20 years of re-releases, this is the breaking point? I just don’t get it. 12 more characters, new maps, and extra modes for a lower price than the original game? Trust me, Capcom has done re-releases(at full price mind you) with far less extra content in the past.
So, come November 15th, I will buy my copy of UMvC3 and probably enjoy it as well. If that makes me some kind of Capcom sheep willing to buy anything they put out, then so be it. I’ll be too busy enjoying a game I like instead of insulting people on the internet.
or you could just buy the game used, you get to enjoy the game and capcom gets the message and give you something even better the next time
you win, and the rest of the gaming comunity wins aswell
unles you really want to waste 40 dollars on a game just to spite people on the internet for telling you the harsh truth behind said game
Roler42, be reasonable dude. It’s not the harsh truth, it’s an opinion. There’s merits to both sides of the argument you know.
Either way, there’s no goddamn way Capcom is going to care if a few people don’t buy this game. There’s also no way a boycott is going to go through. There’s too many people who want this game, myself included. I still see it as just an expansion pack, myself.
It’s being sold for $40 and has more content than the original game. Sounds fine to me. That’s not to say I wasn’t annoyed when I heard the news, but that’s long since been replaced by hype.
I can understand that, but frankly, just because Capcom always does it doesn’t make it acceptable. If I start shooting people in the head everyday, and somehow get away with it for a few years, the cops aren’t gonna go, “It’s okay, he always does this.” I’d still have a gigantic ticket to jail, and possibly a death sentence, waiting on me once the cuffs got slapped on.
Now, as for the numerous editions of SF2 from back in the day, Capcom had the luxury of being lazy back when the crux of the gaming industry was a fairly low quality anyway; a lot of companies were able to get away with blatant laziness back then. But gaming isn’t the same market it used to be. There’s a lot of high-standard competition out there now, that wasn’t there in such strong force at that time. Ultimately, a company (any company) needs to change or die as time goes on. If they can’t be bothered to step up their content, they don’t deserve to continue being supported by gamers. There’s better games out there now, and there’s better companies working their asses off, trying to properly earn that buck; rather than just using crappy cash-in tactics.
Maybe I am a bit more dissatisfied because I did have the luxury of playing MvC 1 and 2 both, but even if I hadn’t… I think I’d still be disappointed that after so many years, Capcom still hasn’t learned a thing, except that people do buy crap. So crap is what they keep putting out.
Also, to the comment about “insulting people on the internet,” not sure if that was directed at me, or just in general. If I seemed insulting at all, that wasn’t my intention; so my apologies there. (Well… I meant to insult Capcom, but not anyone else, heh.)
Or you could just save your money until something better comes along. Just throwing it out there.
Its been a long time since I played console games, what with my RROD a couple years ago. And the economy…
I suspect by later this fall, I will be able to finally buy a new Xbox 360, and start to catch up on all the games I’ve been missing.
MvC3 was one of the games I thought I needed to catch up on.
But on second thought, maybe I should consider MK9 if this is the dedication Capcom is demonstrating.
~TheHolyDarkness Out~
you seem angry
You seem to be pointing out the obvious.
I’ll admit that I don’t know a lot on fighting games, but I can still see that this is ridiculous. Full retail price for just some stages, unpopular characters (Well, mostly unpopular. Some of them looked good.), Spectator Mode, and fixed balancing? I agree with Joe, the spectating and balancing should have been either already in the game or as a patch. I also agree that they should have made separate DLCs for separate characters or smaller character bundles. If I had MVC3 and I saw all these new characters, I would only want Phoenix Wright. However, I would NEVER waste $40 or more dollars just for one character. -_- Not even for two characters!
And still no Megaman? Wtf?
‘Didn’t bought Marvel Vs Capcom 3 in the first place, I surely won’t buy the “Ultimate” Marvel Vs Capcom 3.
I’ll wait for 2 or 3 more expansions, maybe then the game will have a correct amount of content xD
I got screwed buying SF 4 (first retail), I’ll wait for the rebalanced “Ultimate” Super SF4: Arcade edition since the new characters are goddam cheaps.
And finally, here is something else to consider, out of twelve characters not one of them is a woman or an of-colour character while we do get a freaking furry raccoon. Way to be sexist and racist at once, Capcom.
What the hell, are you just Scraping the bottom of the barrel for things to attack this game about? Think for one second. Please. Stop trying to nitpick the game for any excuse you can think of. This game already has characters Females and different Colour Characters. Storm fits both catergories! It’s not like they removed her from the game or anything. But this is pointless to explain because you are clutching to anything you think is worth complaining about and overblowing it. I’m amazed you got any thumbs up for that downright disrespectful comment.
What can I say? I treat the MvC3 team with as much respect as they give us. =p
And yeah, Storm is the only one. How about Luke Cage, voiced by Isaiah Mustafa, that would’ve been flipping AWESOME to have in MvC3. But no, instead we get B-list characters most fans care nothing about. And hell, I’d even take Squirrel Girl over that raccoon, at least you’d know she’d always win against Doctor Doom.
Joe, your ignorance is astounding. Do you just never do research before you rant?
1.) Capcom has explained as to why they are releasing the title on disc. Besides, you’re getting 12 new characters for $40! Or would you rather pay $5 for each?
2.) You bitch because they didn’t add characters YOU don’t know? How selfish can you possibly be? Read a fucking comic book. You’re just like 3/4 of the Internet who want only characters they knew from the old 90′s cartoons. You all CLAIM to be “comic book fans,” but haven’t touched one in over 10 years. No, Gambit isn’t that fucking important, but Iron Fist is doing important stuff all the time. Same for Nova, Rocket, and Doctor Strange. It wouldn’t normally bother me that you don’t know what you’re talking about except you are an Internet celebrity. How come the people who know the LEAST of what they’re talking about are the ones who have the platform to spread their ignorance on? Doug does it, VGA does it, Nash does it… What the hell. Now you?
Sorry, but the tsunami excuse is utter nonsense, how is it stopping them from releasing characters as DLC? It’s clearly not stopping them from working on games so how can’t they release them as DLC? Oh right, that’s never explained nor justified, they just feed you a sob story so you’d buy it. Other Japanese developed games have had DLC released for free since the tsunami, most noteworthy Blazblue by ArcSys, which patched Continuum Shift into Continuum Shift II for FREE, and added an optional DLC character to boot. Capcom is lying out of its ass when they say that .
Joe is not reviewing the comic books that those characters appear in. He is reviewing Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3. The same company released another expansion to a different game with more content for the same price; He would still have every right to be angry about this even if the 12 characters they added were all characters that everyone and their goldfish knows about.
$8.00 money back? Hey, I know this great place called GameStop, where I can trade in my games and get another game that could be better. GameStop has this trade-in offer going on that my boyfriend took advantage of. You can trade in this game and one or two other games from a list, and you can pre-order a new game for free. Free. I think that solves this problem.
Don’t hate me for asking this, but, who’s Phoenix Rite?
I’m mad at the company, not the game itself. I’m still supporting MvC as a fun, fast-paced, intelligent fighting game that is entertaining all by itself.
And, sorry, but I had no idea who She-Hulk was until I played her and I loved her very quickly. And, what’s better, is that their bios are included so I can learn more about her. She’s a friggin’ lawyer and I think that’s awesome! So, I have no problem with character’s I’ve never heard of before. I welcome them. I might get to learn some more awesome characters like She-Hulk. So, lay off the new characters.
Joe.
They didn’t include Megaman because they included Zero instead, who is easier to make into a fighting game character.
Zero was the original design for Mega Man X and was a main character in 13 games, playable in 11 of those. He was a primary protagonist in all of those games and probably the most important character of both the X series and the Zero series. He is a definite, iconic character from the megaman franchise who a lot of people like, it’s alright that he’s in there instead of the original Rockman.
All these complaints about the lack of the original Mega Man are misguided. Zero’s a fan favorite in his own right, he represents the series well and on top of Zero we also get Tron Bonne, so I’d say Megaman as a franchise is definitely well represented by characters from some of it’s best games.
Like, if Star-Lord was included in UMVC3 rather than Rocket Raccoon, I’d still be fucking excited that someone from the Guardians of the Galaxy was getting into the game. The deal is though, that Star-Lord would probably play too much like Chris to warrant being his own character, and Rocket Raccoon is a fantastic little badass in his own right, so I can understand why they put him in instead and I’m completely overjoyed to see him in there. I really don’t understand why hardcore megaman fans don’t feel the same way. Zero is good too, so what if he’s not X? So what if he’s not Rock? He’s still a main character from the franchise, a good character in his own right and he’s got something that Rock doesn’t, a greater potential for unique fighting game moves.
Except Megaman was in MvC, MvC2 and Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, it is other Bee-Es when they say that they can’t work him into a fighting game character, just reuse his MvC2 moves, it’ll work, it worked back then.
And you say this when they are including Phoenix bloody Wright, an attorney who hasn’t as much as punched someone in his native franchise.
His MVC2 moves weren’t all that stellar, IMO. I mean, just because they used him doesn’t mean it was a good idea.
I haven’t played Tatsunoko so I can’t say anything about that one.
In Tatsunoko VS Capcom, Zero is the most played online character (Seriously, he’s on pretty much every single team.) And even Roll is more popular than Mega Man.
That’s a good point, why not have Roll in over Mega Man? She’d be more unique to play as in comparison. And it’s not too hard, just recycle her MvC2 and Tatsunoko VS Capcom moveset!
I have a question for joe, related to the show rather than UMVC3.
why do you bleep some of the f-bombs early on but not later in the video?
this seems to be consistent for your show in general. I’ve also noticed this with some other Channel Awesome personalities like Film Brain. Is it Blip.tv standards?
I think the way he works it is to work in Precision F Strikes at the end while bleeping out his Cluster F-Bombs in the beginning and middle.
I agree with most of what you said. You make good points and in most cases I wouldn’t buy the game or would buy it used since I don’t already have MvC3. But unfortunately I have to try and speak with my wallet on another matter. I have to hope that if I put money behind anything that has Phoenix Wright’s name attached to it that maybe, just maybe, they’ll see the fan demand and localize Ace Attorney Investigations 2. I know there’s barely any chance this will affect that and I’d much rather support this by buying a Phoenix DLC to focus my purchasing power, but I gotta try what I can.
lol You could replace “Capcom” with “Washington” and “Super Street Fighter IV” with “Europe” and Angry Joe would make a great political commentator and motivating public figure.
Too bad Europe’s in even worse trouble financially than the United States…
I agree with Roler42 everyone should just buy it used if at all.
I haven’t even paid for the DL characters for FOTW because of how little effort was put into finding out if people wanted them. I’ve been reading Marvel for over 20 years and inherited my Dads comics from the 60′s and 70′s and Ive heard of Shuma Gorath twice in that time (once in a fairly recent Invaders trade) and I have to say (while I feel the Taskmaster makes his inclusion dubious at best) Hawkeye is one of the many many characters I would pick over that particular obscurity.
If I want the game just to see how Phoenix Wright will play, I’ll just watch someone try him out online or for a less internet related example just go over to a friend’s or a game club and check it out there.
I agree the idea of paying 50 bucks for one character is just plain silly. (I know there’s other characters but Wright is just my example of “buying a game just for one or two new characters.”)
Also I’ve never played the original since I don’t own non-Nintendo consoles, so sorry for the lack of background with the game series with this comment in advance.
you gonna get mega man for sure…in the next ”upadated game” in one year….I’m pretty sure it was all plan like that….they could have put up strider / ghost rider / tyrant in the first game….but what they do is put 6 awesome character just to be sure that you’ll buy the game and fill the rest with characters that no one cares about ….like she hulk / task master / trish / bionic commando (the new one…when every body like more the retro one) / modock / storm / tron bone / hesin ko… Capcom has not an ounce of respect for their fan, I was pissed when they announced super street fighter 4 and since then i don’t buy their game….I’m pretty sure that megaman is already done has a playable character like blade an other fan favorite, and that from the beginning…and their resting on a hard drive ready to be release on the next Super Ultimate marvel vs capcom 3
While I agree on the attitude towards not caring about what people wanted I will defend Storm and She-Hulk since they are probably two of Marvels more well known female characters with Storm being part of the X-Men and She-Hulk having longer running solo series then any other Marvel Super Lady I can think of.
It’s my understanding that all of the new content was suppose to be DLC, until the earthquake and tsunami hit Japan and threw that country’s economy out of wack. I understand the anger, but the fact that Joe didn’t even mention this fact is disappointing.
I don’t have all the facts and numbers on how exactly Capcom was effected, but I think that a little understanding for this kind situation is not an unreasonable thing to ask for. If it turns out that I’m wrong, then my apologies, but the blind rage that erupts from the internet only helps to hurt everyone.
and you actually believe their earthquake excuse?
if said excuse was true, then every other gaming company would be pulling the same crap, and yet? konami is still releasing games this year and the next with nothing half-assed, square enix is still releasing final fantase 13-2, just to name a few
the eartquake affected things and blah blah blah, it’s true, but that’s no excuse to make the poor business decisions capcom has been pulling, capcom deserves no mercy,. they should be appealing to us, not us to them
The earthquake thing might be an excuse if Capcom didn’t do this with virtually every major console fighter they ever released.
It’s sad as hell that so many people are downrating reaprar’s comment. He made some pretty good arguments and he wasn’t exactly raging about it like Joe was throughout this video, though I know he did that for entertainment purposes.
What sucks:
1) MvC3 was essentially a paid beta.
2) This is going to split the community in half unless they patch the original for the new balance tweaks, which they won’t.
3) Rocket Raccoon. Come on, couldn’t it have been someone like Howard the Duck or Squirrel Girl if they wanted a joke character? I’m a pretty huge Marvel buff and I’ve never even heard of this guy.
4) Still no Megaman, and no Venom despite them being the most highly requested characters.
5) Still no replay feature, one of the things I was most hoping for.
What doesn’t suck:
1) 12 new characters and some huge and needed balance adjustments for less than the price than it would have been to get all of those characters individually as DLC.
2) Budget title selling for considerably less than the original game.
3) Some special reward that we’ll get if we owned the original version. This might even be X and Venom, who might have been intended as DLC due to the fact they were the most requested, so Capcom thinks they can squeeze some more money out of them.
4) Spectator mode at last!
On a personal level, I am hyped as hell over seeing Firebrand. If you seriously don’t know who he is… well, I don’t blame you. Since so many people are complaining about this guy, here’s a quick history lesson:
Ghouls n’ Goblins was a popular Capcom game, and one of the most memorable enemies in that game was the Red Arremer, a monster that caused numerous deaths because of its high difficulty to kill. IT would prove to be so popular that Capcom would release a spinoff game starring one called Gargoyle’s Quest, one of the very first games for the gameboy. It was a fun and innovative title, mixing elements of JRPGs and platformers. The star of this game was Firebrand, who was essentially to the ghoul realm what Arthur was to the human realm.
Gargoyle’s Quest was successful enough to earn a sequel on the NES, which was also pretty good. But Firebrand’s crowning moment would be a game very few have played called Demon’s Crest. I say with no amount of hyperbole that Demon’s Crest is one of the finest platformers ever made. It mixed elements of just about every successful platformer you could think of, and even retained some of the RPG elements from Gargoyle’s Quest.
The reason you likely never heard of it is because it was released in extremely limited quantities in the US, and never sold well, likely due to the fact it had Demon in the title, and parents didn’t want their kids playing a game like that. I’m not alone in thinking it’s one of the finest examples of platform gaming, however. Nintendo Power listed it as one of the 100 best titles to be on a Nintendo console.
Firebrand’s games are some of my favorite ever. I’ve been praying for his return in some form, but whenever he shows up, he’s usually referred to as just a red arremer. To know that Firebrand himself will be in one of my favorite fighting games brings me no small amount of joy.
I understand that you’re angry, we’re all angry, but stay focused on what you’re angry about. I’m mad cuz Capcom is trying to milk me for all i’m worth with releasing Ultimate MvC 3, but that doesn’t mean the characters are bad. To call all, but the few you know and like, useless with out playing them is not right. You do not even know how Phoenix Wright will play, but you’re singing his praise. I, for one, know all the characters. If I wasn’t refusing to buy it on sheer principle, I would’ve like to have seen how Ironfist and Rocket raccoon played.
http://www.shotglassescomic.com/drunk-dialing/letter-to-capcom/
Why the hell did they call it Ultimate? Are they trying to think it’s characters from the Ultimate universe? Sure, if it was Ultimate Capcom v. Marvel, it would work.
What’s sad is KOF XII had a lot of problems and I can say for a fact I have played KOF XIII 13 at Otakon as a console test and they fixed every problem. SO WHY CAN’T CAPCOM their shit?!!
Oh joe according to rumor mill Capcom has Officially ended megaman and basically done the Viewtiful joe route of we don’t want it and wont mention it for 10 years. Yeah Zero was the last mention that series is supposedly getting
You know what the worst part is? Either way we’re screwed, Capcom is not the company it used to be.
We buy the game, more rip-off re-releases.
We don’t buy the game, no more MVC period.
That is just how its going to be, they won’t meet us half way because it is not profitable.
PS. I like the character choices, but they should have been dlc.
Ugggggggggggggh. I agree that it’s WAY too early to be bringing out UMVC3 but yet again joe hits us with more uneducated opinions about a genre he knows nothing about.
I thought after the complaints he got in his original MVC3 review he’d just leave this one alone but I guess that was too much like wishful thinking.
Really Joe? The first thing you say is that you get less than you claimed you’d get, then you go on to list that you get MORE stuff than you said you’d get?
For example, you claimed 8 new characters and we got 12.
“Six of which are crap, nobody even knows who they are!”
Funny Joe, because I knew exactly who all of them were. It boggles the mind – you don’t know who some characters are, therefor nobody knows who they are? “Half of these are useless!”
What? What’re you talking about? You haven’t SEEN eight of them in game so how on earth do you know they’re “useless”? Very little people knew who Dormammu was – and he’s one of the most played characters. What, because Joe doesn’t know who a character is, that means they’re not going to be good characters? WHAT?
“Spectator mode is the only mode they’re adding!” Not true, there’s still an unannounced mode, they announced this at EVO (and comicon IIRC).
Secondly, the balance tweaks are pretty goddamn big, adding whole new moves to old characters, changing how entire supers work – nevermind removing infinite loops and DHC glitches.
Also, as for the “Release the DLC characters in seperate packs!” thing, if they had released all 12 characters in the format they had already set for DLC characters, you’d be paying $60. 80 if you count shuma and jill. I think their DLC plan for this game is bogus but that’s the simple fact of the matter.
Also, their reasoning for this is that the japanese tsunami thing happened while they were creating DLC for the game. I don’t exactly buy that excuse – but I can see how it’d cause problems.
“If you release a game with shit balance and shit netcode you should atleast patch it” They did patch the balance – a lot. Over 30 infinite combos were removed through balance patches, aswell as character tweaks in MVC3. While I agree they didn’t patch enough – they patched a bunch of stuff and my only explanation for your claim that they didn’t patch it is that you were simply uneducated.
“Let us buy characters individually!” …Well they did that with shuma and jill, but they had to charge them at like £5 each (I think it was $5 each not sure) because of playstation network and xbox live charges… something else that really could have figured out if you had stopped to think about why that might not be the best idea.
You’re making up your own complaints and evidence and then basing further arguments on that, instead of researching what you’re talking about beforehand.
“Megaman!” Well if they put megaman in, you’d be complaining that they just recycled a character that was already in mvc1 and 2, because his moveset would have to be the same.
I get that you’re just looking for reasons to be angry, I get that it’s your shtick, but goddamn do you have to be so blatant about it?
Also, in your ending complaint about capcom’s coperate – They DID have fanpolls, Pheonix Wright, Dr strange, Firebrand, Ghost Rider, Frank West and Iron Fist were some of the top most requested characters AND THEY’RE IN THE GAME.
Other high requested characters like venom and gambit werent in the game – but wouldn’t you, and others like you, be complaining that they just “recycled” characters from previous versions with only minor moveset tweaks?
You’re just looking for reasons to be angry because it’s not filling with superficial stuff like mortal kombat. Now, I’m not a major fanboy – infact capcom really has been pissing me off lately – but there’s a key difference between us.
I play fighting games.
the difference is that you love being screwed over while having full knowdledge of what they’re doing
that’s what fanboys do, that’s what you are doing, you just go out of your way to defend capcom even though you know what they’re doing is wrong
you’re a nice example of what sheep is
thank you for helping them ruin gaming
ps. mortal kombat and netherrealm studios have shown time and time again they’re miles ahead of capcom in superiority
Well, let’s break this down for a second. Ignoring Reaprar’s point that buying all 12 of those characters individually would come out for way more than what UMVC3 is selling for on top of all its new content…
There’s another medium that sells new content at reduced prices. You know what that medium is? PC GAMING. Expansion packs! Hello?
The fuck do you think an expansion pack is? It adds new content and stuff and sells at a reduced price. The difference between an expansion pack and UMVC3 is that UMVC3 is a stand-alone game that can be purchased and played without having to buy the original game. If anything, that might help the community, as people who are tighter on money and might have skipped on the original will now have cause to buy it.
Of course, the idea of an expandalone isn’t new. Take Relic for example. With their Dawn of War and Company of Heroes games, the expansions are released as expandalones. However, with their most recent one, Dawn of War II: Retribution, it added a new campaign that could be played with the six different races, and one new multiplayer race. However, it did not require the original game or the previous expansion at all, and in fact nullified the worth of both of them for anything except their campaigns, because you got all of the multiplayer content from both without needing them.
This was generally considered a good deal. The game sold for a budget price and contained all of the content of the previous two games for multiplayer.
That kind of sounds like UMVC3, doesn’t it? Why is it Relic is praised for this marketing strategy, even by Joe himself, but Capcom gets criticized for using almost the same business model?
there’s a difference, the dawn of war game was preety much a full game, the expandalone ones were indeed expansions, but you know what’s the difference between this and umvc3? dawn of war wasn’t getting their expansions so often as capcom is doing with mvc3
now why is capcom criticized for this? well look at it from this point:
- the original game had barely any content
-not even the balance could make up for the lack of content because there was still characters with spam attacks and infinite combos
-by the end of the day, the vast majority of gamers end up paying 100 dollars for playing the game, not to mention they have to re-purchase the DLC
-even f you view it as a tourney player, capcom is still screwing you over, people didn’t even have enough time to learn the game properly when a whole new and changed version is coming out in not even a year, that means you have to buy the game again, and learn from 0 all over again
the whole DLC thing and patching the game… let’s be honest, this gen capcom got lazier than ever, back in the day no one complained because 1.- we were all kids, 2.- arcade owners were buying the games for us to play, 3.- by the time console version came out we already had the option to play the newest and better version
today? just look at mvc3, they advertise it as the biggest crossover when even the roster pales in size compared to it’s predecesor, they made this half-assed game in less than a year… and since they know fans and hardcore tourney players are going to buy it, they just decide to half-ass everything and just release the game in pieces, they’re milking their players out of their money, and people like the guy i replied to don’t see what’s wrong with it…
regarding the price of characters… you don’t really need to buy them all, just look at netherrealm studios, they’re releasing their characters one at a time, why? to give everyone an option to download the ones they like and dislike instead of forcing a bunch of characters many players aren’t even going to touch, and not only that, NRS are even giving FREE DLC along with those packs, how come the smaller developers are giving their customers a better service than the bigger name that is capcom?
now just to end this message: the guy i replied to claimed there were fanpolls… but when you look at the 12 new guys again, and you see the current plans of capcom, you realize 3/4 of those 12 guys are just shameless plugs/product placement for capcom’s upcoming products… they turned the expansion into an advertisement…
and people still don’t see what’s wrong with it…
Capcom have been earning my ire lately to be honest, far too many weak excuses and fan disservice but what really gets on my nerves about this entire ordeal is Ryota Niitsuma himself who, in my opinion, is a total asshole who feeds people the most see through of lies and the people who are naive enough to BELIEVE him.
He claimed there would be plenty of DLC and patches for rebalancing at first and you know what? That on it’s own was fine but then after that fell through he’s come out with pathetic excuse after excuse either as to why certain characters were left out, remember the Strider excuse? If Strider truly does not fit into the world of Marvel Vs Capcom 3 (As Niitsuma adamantly claimed) why is he getting in now? Don’t say because of fan support because Megaman X is officially the number one requested character and he didn’t make the cut. Why?
Christian Svensson (The vice president of Capcom U.S.A) says that “Gene from God Hand was in very close consideration for UMvC3‘s roster. They had more characters in the final pool than they could put in the game, and Gene happened to be in that category. Mega Man was in the final pool of characters too.”
How does Gene of all people not make the cut (I mean for the love of god has nobody at Capcom even PLAYED God Hand? Gene is a perfect fit for the game!) yet Firebrand does? Why does Nemesis? I mean jesus christ if all you’re going to package is a few new stages (at least one of which is just a reskin of one of the original levels i believe) then at least give people what they’ve been asking for since the start.
If anything, at ALL, Capcom need to show that they still give a shit about their core fanbase because lately? I’ve seen nothing but games pandering to the EVO crowd.
Yeah. I’m interested in seeing how Phoenix plays, but i refuse to buy this game.
I’m amazed at how pathetic some “hardcore fighting fans” are in just accepting crap like this as the normal. It’s like they love paying for almost the exact same game over and over. Wake up, You guys are just the nerdy version of the people who buy every year’s EA sports game.
But then again… This is coming from the company that started off making 6 Mega Man games on the NES… You know… now that I think of it like that, Capcom has always done this kind of crap, and now that we have DLC and stuff it’s a natural evolution of Capcom’s laziness and milking tendencies.
But at least those games weren’t LITERALLY THE SAME GAME.
I am so glad I don’t actually buy and play video games except for things like Minecraft >>
Because I would totally buy just for Phoenix Wright <<
I knew I’d be seeing a video like this from you, Joe, just knew it. I know I am a bit late to notice but still, just knew it. Even though I haven’t played it nor have any real interest, from your last review and what I been seeing and reading around, even I saw that it lacked content the first time around and now… this… why? It is like they couldn’t wait an extra 4-5 months to release the more full version? It makes me think for the extra money, I dunno if it was pressure from fans but seriously, poor excuse and fans would have been fine waiting for the more full experience.
Capcom has really become greedy. Capcom and Activision seem to be the greediest game companies now, with EA being 3rd I think. Overcharged DLC, I feel characters should cost at most, 25 cents. I mean if 1000 people buy that, it is $250 for just a character, not a game. I mean a game we get characters, maps, what makes the game work and all that for $60 or less and yet $5 for a character… that just doesn’t add up. Thing is, the cheaper it is the more people would buy it and yet… they restrict those of us not wanting to pay so much for something like that.
It is just crazy just… crazy. It shows how much they don’t care about MvC and how they care more about their own game just with their characters, Street Fighter. Because yeah… people buy it anyway. And with how fighting tournaments happen all the time, it is a big eSport so of course people are going to buy it even more so.
Man I really do wonder if we will see the game industry change for the better. Not all games should cost $60. I feel most games should only cost $30 with $40 at best, all depending on the quality and content provided and if many consider it a good game. It just frustrates me to no end that nothing will change. You have those who don’t care about games, running the industry and think they know what we want.
Ah well… it is good to see that you care about things like this.
It seems you have more problems with the system on a whole than with Capcom. Everyone charges those prices, Netherealm charge those prices, Arc System charges even more. Namco is the only exception, and that’s because they don’t release any DLC at all. And that’s just analyzing Fighting Games, we haven’t even trod into Shooters which release Map Packs or Rhythm Games that release Song Packs at prices that, when compared to the retail value, just doesn’t add up.
Yeah I suppose. I guess I got off track and I am aware others charge just as much which really is too much. But aside from that, can’t deny that Capcom has been making bad moves because they know it sells anyway. It is like Capcom has a habit with their games to release then re-release less than 1 year later, making it seem like the game before was incomplete and they rushed it out knowing the re-release will sale. I am aware they did this with Street Fighter 2 as well but you would think in this day and age that would change or be DLC but even the DLC would be expensive I suppose and cost more than just retail price. While others like Square Enix seems to get excited with announcing new games even when they are not in production yet. It is like they get an idea and have to announce it, get people’s hopes up and then 5 years later, still no such game.
And to those who say of Japan didn’t make it DLC because of the earthquakes and tsunami… how do you explain SSFIV AE being DLC? It came out during such time so why not now with this? Also, they said they cancelled Megaman Legends 3 because lack of fan support and input and yet when fans complain about the character roster in UMvC3, Capcom tells us that it is their game and they do what they want with it. I dunno but it truly sounds like lies to me from them because they are saying one thing then saying the opposite for another.
Lack of modes… there could have been tournament mode, survival, team, endless mode, one move mode, random team mode, coin mode such as get in as many hits as possible to get coins… so on. But nope, none of that. But I guess even with all those modes all anyone would play anyway is VS, right? I notice that with online games too, the few I have played like Uncharted 2. You can add all these modes and yet all anyone plays is Deathmatch.
Stop with the “Capcom, what happened to you! make more RE and Mega man!”. Us fighting game enthusiasts had to play the same games for the last 10+ years while capcom churned out lame ass megaman side scrolling game boy games and RE’s which were identical in gameplay in almost every iteration barring RE4/5. After a decade of waiting, capcom finally shows its loyal fanbase some support by FINALLY releasing a new street fighter/mvc, and all you casual players start whining. We had to wait, it’s your turn now.
UMVC3 isn’t for you guys anyway, its for people who actually still play the game. Although, 10 months is a bit too quick.
Personally, the thing that disgusts me the most about this game and the last version is not that Capcom was stingy with the content and was relying purely on fanboygasmness to get sales, as perfectly rage worthy as it is, but the fact that even before the game ever came out when the gamespot in my college had a tv outside for people to play there were people at that tv apparently all day who knew how to play the game BEFORE IT EVER CAME OUT!
Just…if you think about what it would take to know a game backward and forward before you’ve even laid your hands on the finished product, a fighting game with a bunch of special moves and combos and whatever else……it’s utterly disgusting to me how much attention those people put onto that game. It makes it kind of funny knowing they were so fixated on a game that was obviously half assed in comparison to other games.
This is my opinion anyway.
I don’t understand why anyone in the business can’t seem to understand that the perfect way of carrying a fighting game now a days is like how the guys at Netherrealm Studios does it. I’m a huge fight fan and I haven’t seen a great game that gets it done right like Mortal Kombat and I was a major critic of the franchise. I have always been a supporter of Capcom but this is RICOCULOUS! That’s right “ricoculous”, it’s not even worth a friggin real word. This ranks up there like King of Fighters 12, a crap game that gives us nothing but pretty pictures and no substance.
Oh dear god it cracked me up when he screamed “MEGAMAN!!!” that was on par with “4 HOURS???” in my book XD
But seriously, what kind of 90′s tactics are these. I remember mister Ono, the Street fighter head honcho, saying that this isn’t the 90′s anymore when they were releasing SSF4 and that they couldn’t release something for full price with minimal updates. Guess the bosses at Capcom thought otherwise…
Ono handles SFIV and SFXTK, but a different developer and different head guy (Ryota) does MVC3
What happened to you Capcom? You made game series that I held dear, like Resident Evil and Mega Man, but lately it seems like you’ve been giving all of your fans the middle finger. I know you did updates in the past, but times have changed! You can update games digitally! This hurts to say it but I’ve lost almost all of my respect for Capcom as of late. While this seems like an ok deal to those who haven’t bought the game yet, it’s a dick move to anyone who bought the game already.
I didn’t pick up Street Fighter 4, but I bought Super Street Fighter 4 because the added characters and modes along with its price.
I’m sorry but I’m probably going to do the same here Joe, I’m sorry……I’m so sorry…….
just buy it used, there’s no problem in that, as long as capcom gets no money and get the message that gamers don’t like being screwed over
if you really wanna play it, then buy it used, there’s no problem with that
That is True….
Whoa joe! lets be fair here: There are only 5 pointless characters.
Goddamn it if Im gonna hear someone denigrate Rocket Raccoon!
I think for Hardcore player this update is ok. I play on tournaments over here at NYC. And competitive scene is really happy for this game. I can understand why there are so much hate for this game on this website, because most people who frequent here are casuals and doesn’t play fighters at high level. But that’s ok i am not talking smack about you. But from a competitive players perspective this update is ok. We get to learn more match ups, no more fearing wolverine and phoenix. And new characters always mix things up and opens up more strategies.
As for MK 9, we don’t care about story modes or free DLC.We care about the character that’s coming out and does he break the game. We care about the engine of the game and not the story modes. MK has a lot of problems and no where near the master piece that people makes it out to be. It has 3d hit boxes on a 2d game, priorities gets determined at the beginning of a match (come on NRS), negative edging, variable frame data etc. Hitstun and blockstun depends on when your opponent blocked and when it was released. The inconsistency of this game really gets you at high level play. Also i think having 2-3 useful dial a combo really limits a character. This has been around In MK games since Mk 3 and i wish they would return to the MK 2 style of gameplay. Mk 2 had lot more depth once you play at high level.
But that doesn’t mean MvC 3 doesn’t have its problem, when having a certain character in your team forces you change your entire tactics is problematic and even if you change your tactics there are still no guarantees. (phoenix i am looking at you), Anyone players MvC 3 can tell you X-factor lvl 3 is bs no matter what level. Wolverines amazing dive kick hitboxes etc.
I could go on but IMO UMvC 3 is not a bad deal at all for hardcore crowd, and most will buy it regardless. Capcom games have always been more geared towards hardcore crowds who are more into the gameplay than side stuff. 3s, super turbo, alpha 3 you name it, its for hardcore crowds. Sure casuals pick up the game enjoy it for a few weeks and then move on to the next big thing. But i just want you guys to see how most hardcore player look at a fighting game and how casuals do.
I get what you’re saying. But it makes it sound like the HC crowd doesn’t care about the characters chosen. That it could be character as long it was balanced and had something to it to be good with. Basically it sounds like the character could me a stick figure but with an interesting moveset and a HC person wouldn’t care cause they think about the game mechanics over the looks and personality of that fighter and the world it’s in. I probably wouldn’t be all that wrong in that right either. For most HC more fighters means more variety of mash-up teams and mechanic jargon that a casual wouldn’t care about.
Not saying that HC fighters DON’T care about the looks or the world and personality of the fighters and the game in itself. but I find it they disregard it. No they don’t need a story mode. No they don’t need a lot of things that fluff the game. Then again they’re competitive, they make money off being competitive or just are competitive in nature and want to win the tourneys. Much like people in some card games let’s take Magic: The Gathering as an example. There are people who love the lore, the feel and the nature of the game and the art. But they’re not exactly the ones who win the games the most. Then there’s the people who buy boxes of the cards or even the singles of card because of their mechanics and want to win the tourneys and get the prizes but also just competitive. They like the art sure, they really care about the mechanics and if the card will A) mess with the meta-game and tourney. B) usable and reliable to use for meta-game and tourneys.
That’s fine though I’m not blaming the HC people I’m just saying we’re not in the 90s-early 2Ks to do such business things. Look at Blazblue, it has multiple modes, not a lot of characters but a deep enough fightiing mechanic and a really fleshed out story mode. I think you can be geared torward the HC without gimping the rest and vice versa. Make it so everyone wins (even the company itself) rather than do something that is obviously sucky in ideals. I don’t have the cash to blow on the same game over and over even if I did have the money and was competitive.
This makes me wonder about Street Fighter x Tekken (or Tekken x Street Fighter) and if Capcom will pull the same stunt with that or if Namco will stop them since, from my experience with Namco, they’re not that big on DLC and re-releases of the same game though I could be wrong since I don’t really keep track of the fighting scene.
You know, when they announced Super Street Fighter 4 they just said that they’re adding “extra characters and balancing issues could not be addressed through DLC”. Capcom then waited to reveal all the things they’re adding which included new online modes and new Ultra moves for each. So it’s alright for that game but not for this?
You also seem to forget SF4 and MvC3 have two different engines to them and had two different developers. Just because it worked for SF4 doesn’t mean it’ll work for MvC3.
glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed the different developers for SFIV and MVC3
Why are you surprised Joe? I listened to your review of MVC 3 when you said not to buy it and hold out until they released the updated edition. I ignored buying it when all my other friends did, and I played it with them. I wanted it, and now they have brought down the price and they have released it with new characters (Which hawkeye is awesome. Just because you don’t give a fuck about marvel doesn’t mean hawkeye is stupid). I listened to you when you told me to hold off and now I AM going to buy Ultimate Marvel Vs Capcom 3 because its not going to get any more different than this. Plus I’m convinced that capcom hasn’t laid all their cards on the table yet. There could be more options and modes. They aren’t going to release SUPER ULTIMATE MVC3. You just keep saying they need to do more and I wish they would, but I realize they aren’t. I did this the first time and I held out and told capcom No, im not going to buy this until it is changed. And things were changed, and yeah this leaves more to be desired and this is not as substantial of an update as super street fight 4, but I want to play the game. And I’m glad I held out as long as I did, but I really wanna freaking play this game.
A few quick thoughts:
-Marvel controls what they can put in, in terms of characters. So, for some of the Marvel side, I can see them trying to push She-Hulk, Hawkeye, and Rocket Raccoon, especially as of late.
-They were doing mock polls earlier that they claimed wouldn’t go to Capcom for DLC. They may have, it turns out. http://www.capcom-unity.com/marvelvscapcom/go/thread/view/102977/27076341/DLC_Polls_Round_2
-I can imagine the earthquakes cutting down on resources. Is it shitty that they’re doing it? Oh, absolutely. But given the model they’ve worked off of for the last 20 years, this is not surprising in the least.
Time for me to come clean. I admit it. I was one of the people who made excuses for Capcom when MvC3 came out. I was happy getting 2 DLC characters, claiming it set a precedent. …And then Mortal Kombat came out.
I can’t do it anymore. Capcom is crossing a very dangerous line, and honestly ‘not buying it’ won’t do it, I don’t think. If at all possible, we need to keep this from ever being put on disc. Time to get your typing fingers ready guys. Email Capcom about this. (But do try to be mature and leave blatant flaming out of it. Be the better men.)”
Y’know, I just had a thought. Marvel has a much better track record when listening to the fans, and if they get the same amount of flak that we should be giving Capcom, maybe THEY would pull the plug on this and force Capcom to be accountable. Just food for thought.
Ever since Keiji Inafune left Capcom, they’ve been doing their best to utterly destroy Megaman. They want Megaman gone, not a doubt in my mind.
I’m glad I don’t play fighting games.
I rented MvC3, but I didn’t buy it because I knew this was going to happen. Even if the improvements are minor, it’s still the obviously better purchase. Of course, it might be better to wait until Ultimate MvC3: Super-Duper-Deluxe-Viewtiful Arcade Edition hits the market.
Also, Phoenix Wright and Iron Fist. Yes please.
Rockman Legends 3 has a fanbase, yet they cancel that because it wasn’t giving the numbers they wanted. Who says they won’ cancel the MvC franchise if Ultimate MvC3 doesn’t give them the right numbers?
I agree with you Joe. As a long time gamer I am angry and outraged. We gamers as a community should stand up as one and boycott capcom until they get their stuff together and deliver on things like they said they would.
Capcom is screwing themselves. First they cancel games like Mega Men Legends and Universe, and then they screw people by repackaging a game at a near-new prices with minimal updates. It is truly disgusting.
I don’t even own MvC3 and I feel cheated. They need the money though, they said it themselves. It’s sad. Such an long-serving brand should deserve a better treatment. But this is what we’re continuing to see from these old Japanese companies who don’t know how to adapt to the times. Ultimately they’re just killing themselves and it’s a shame.
It’s really sad when you begin to not trust a company such as Nintendo or Capcom because you expect them to make you feel screwed when they inevitably release a new version of the same thing at the same price within months.
Male panty-shot FTW.
Hand me the tranquilizers, I think I can hit him from here.
Ultimate Marvel vs Cashcow 3.
You know the easiest solution to this? Offer both! DLC for the people who just don’t give a shit about having the whole roster and just want to play as one of the offered characters and the whole package for fighting game fans that want to get as good as possible. This is one case where they easily could’ve pleased BOTH sides without causing any sort of stir at all.
Capcom are trying realy hard to get on everyone’s shit list.
Capcom’s been on my shit list for years already, and here’s why:
Not releasing Megaman 6 for the NES in Europe.
Sure it may not be the best Megaman game, but at least I’d have a complete collection of MM games for the NES.
Not releasing Megaman: The Wily Wars in North America.
This was plain stupid, STOOPID! Disregarding an entire market area that has (AFAIK) a huge Megaman fan base?!
Not releasing the Megaman and Megaman X collections in Europe (or anywhere else other than NA).
This one pisses me off the most. I was so hyped about these when they were first announced, and then came the info that it’s NA only :/ The reason given was “wouldn’t be profitable to release it outside of NA since the fan base is too small.” or something along those lines. Fuck you Capcom, fuck you.
Cancellation of Megaman Universe
I was excited about this one too, but then it’s “Nah, we’re not doing it.” I’ve heard arguments about it being cancelled because the game is crap. If the game sucks, why even bother announcing it? Fucksake…
Cancellation of Megaman Legends 3.
I don’t own a 3DS yet so I wasn’t very excited for this one, but from what I’ve read online in various forums etc. people were really hyped up about this. Then Capcom pulls another “Not enough fans, drop it.”…..
And of course there’s this whole hyper-super-turbo-ultimate re-release bullshit. I do not have the energy to rant about it anymore, and I’m pretty sure all of my points have already been made out in other comments why this is total BS.
Capcom, please get your shit together, and stop treating the Blue Bomber like dirt! He pretty much made you what you are today. Which is sadly a bunch of moneygrubbing dicks…. -.-
tl;dr
Fighting games are serious business.
As a big fan of fighting games, I’m somewhat torn on this one. From a casual perspective, UMvC3 must seem completely absurd. The fact that they use, “8 new stages”, as one of their selling points is downright insulting. It’s also true that most people won’t want anything to do with many of the new characters, and thus won’t get any value out of them.
However, from a more competitive viewpoint, the picture is a lot rosier. For people who play Marvel at a high level, it becomes almost impossible for these games to not be worth the money. When you’re going to sink what can amount to hundreds of hours in training mode alone, a $40 price tag becomes almost insignificant. While most people might not want all the new characters, if you really want to be good at the game, you need them, regardless if you have any intent to play them or not. If you can’t practice how to deal with their setups and how to punish them, you’re putting yourself at a massive disadvantage. It’s no secret that MvC3 had some serious balance issues at high levels of play, and balancing a full roster for a fighting game is probably one of the most difficult tasks there is in game design. If they could actually pull it off with relative success, for a roster of 50, I wouldn’t put that past being worth a full $100 from buying both games, except…
I can’t say Capcom has the best record in terms of balancing its fighters. They love building these gigantic character rosters, but don’t seem to have a solid handle on making all the characters competitive. Generally, a select few end up being top tier, you get a handful that are good, quite a few that are playable, and the rest are just useless. I don’t mind that have these high aspirations as far as character selection goes, as opposed to something like BlazBlue which has tried to balance its smaller core of characters, but when they consistently end up with only half the cast being competitive, it seems more like luck of the draw than proper character design on Capcom’s part.
With the competitive fighting game scene growing as it is (EVO 2011′s stream saw over 2 million unique views over its run), if they’re able to provide a solid core game, that’s all that the more competitive players are looking for. I’m not sure whether they’ve chosen to concentrate their efforts in making a better game for this audience at the expense of the casual player, or if they’re just lazy. At a high level, UMvC3 won’t be an expansion at all; it’ll be nearly the same change from MvC2 to MvC3. Still probably won’t buy it though personally, just ’cause these Mahval games are completely too ridiculous for me from a gameplay perspective.
Capcom’s annual fiscal report from March tells the real story. Check page 18 [Forecast].
They’ve promised the numbers and they try to keep that promis. To the shareholders that is.
Okay, I’ve got the killer problem here. If each and every character was to be released individually via DLC as well as the game to be released as a retail disc. Then the main price of the Retail Disc would be full price game at $60, otherwise those going to buy the DLC from the store are going to feel ripped off if they have to pay significantly more than those who are going to buy the Disc. And while Discs drop in price over time, DLC never gets cheaper on the Xbox Marketplace or the PSN Network.
Joe in all your videos, I agree with most things you have to say, disagree with some. But this video here I’m 100% on your side. Capcom has sicken me, with not just the MVC3 franchise. But the company as a whole. They cancelled the 2 Mega Man games, adding DRM to their games, only allowing 1 save to their games, and now taking advantage of peoples hard earned money by charging $40 for something that ridiculous, and what was the point of DLC? Why did they put out 2 characters you could buy individually but now you have to buy UMVC3 for the rest.
This is the last straw for me, not only am I not buying UMVC3, I won’t buy anything else from Capcom ever again. If something ever does entice me from the company I will buy it used. Capcom will not make another dime from me from here on out.
Joe, I do indeed see your points in that Capcom already gave away most of these features in Super Street Fighter IV, and then some.
On the other hand as has been mentioned Capcom is known for milking franchises. SF2/SF2CE/SF2T/SSF2/SSF2T, etc. Many times in the old days of MK/SF/KoF I bit because new characters psyched me. I bought SSFIVAE on Steam as I missed SSFIV, because I liked SFIV, and enjoyed SSFIV moreso at a friends. Had Super hit before AE on PC, I might have skipped AE, as outside of the 4 new characters there’s not much else.
That said I’m not telling people to buy it. For all but the most devoted fan It’s probably not worth the dough for a few more characters. But I can also see why Capcom would do it in an environment where businesses need any cent they can to keep themselves afloat, and retain whoever they can afford. Again, I’m not saying to reward a crappy move be it real or imagined with your money, just that it doesn’t surprise me they would pull out all the stops especially on a game with such a high amount of fan service. They know they’ll at least break even.
I’ll buy UMvC, I’ll however wait a massive price drop.
I didn’t bought the original one because I knew from the start is was incomplete and not final. it is however a concept that I like. and seriously… Phoenix Wright ? Fuck Yeah !
I actually like from Ghost Rider so it was cool to see him being added to roster.
GODDAMNIT CAPCOM this is fucking annoying every fighter game FROM CAPCOM fucking does this shit first the originals then 7 copies of the same game with the same price fuck that. if they want me to buy ultimate mvc3 they better make it a dlc upgrade for the original or better yet i can go to the store give my old MVC3 and they give me the UMVC3 in the exchange and my game rack must look good with the copies marvel vs capcom3 ultimate mvc3 ultimateshit mvc3 hyperawesomemarvelous MVC3 and so on so forth FUCK CAPCOM ILL KEEP MY MONEY if they want even small portion of my cash they better fuckin make DMC1-3 HD collection
…and sorry if my cursing offended anyone reason was brain turned off rage was full capacity
Most of you here are probably here to enforce your decision to not buy this game, while others might me unsure. It’s obvious that Joe is looking at this from the perspective of a consumer who isn’t so easy to take money from without a good reason. To a normal person, this is complete and utter bullshit. To me, it’s building on a game I liked and spent a lot of hours with. Capcom can’t give their fans everything they want. Yes, the fans and consumers are entitled to a quality product. But does that mean that the customer is always right?
The character roster was a point a lot made. Yes, MvC2′s roster is really big, but was it really? The only original characters were Ruby Heart, Cable, Sonson, Tron Bonne, and Servbot. The others were just from the previous Vs. games with tweaks made to fit the mechanics of MvC2. If you forget about the 3-on-3 and the assists, then MvC2 is compilation of Children of the Atom, Marvel Superheroes, X-Men vs. Street Fighter, Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, and Marvel vs. Capcom with a little Darkstalkers for good measure. Did they buy MvC2 anyway? Yes. I’m not saying that MvC2 is the Ultimate to all these games at all. All of these games can be regarded as their own games. It was an evolution of a series that spanned 6 games. I just pray to God that it won’t come to this again. In MvC3, you can tell that Capcom made sure to divide their attention accordingly adding fans favorites and building a character that can be unique and enjoyable to play as while taking inspiration from characters of the past. And Joe, please know that people who read comic books also play this game, too. With COTA, MSH, XvSF, MSHvSF, and MvC, they took away characters and added new ones with tweaks to how you play the games, the more notable ones being the transition between MSH to XvSF and MSHvSF to MvC. MvC2 was when it all came together and became the opus of all of that. It was under the guise of a “new” game and the ease of accessibility to an arcade that people played the series when it came out.
Another thing mentioned was the earthquakes in Japan. Some people are taking it the wrong way and are saying that Capcom is just using that to cover their asses. Make what you will of that, but just keep it in the back of your head.
Spoony said it best when he said something to the effect of “People often find and listen to critics that they can relate to.” It’s clear to me now that I don’t relate to Joe as much as I thought I did. I’l still watch your videos, but I’ll take them with a larger grain of salt. I’m going to take a lot of flak for this, but I’ll buy UMvC3 because I KNOW I’ll like it. I won’t see it as a cash-in from Capcom; I’ll see it as another game waiting to be played with other people who enjoyed it just like me.
So…you like eating bullshit then?
I should have worded that differently… Anyway, I anticipated the thumbs down. Most of the people here are here to watch Joe and be convinced to not buy the game anyway with the exception of those who will buy the game and are curious to what Joe had to say, like me.
just buy it used then, ther’es nothing wrong with buying it used, just don’t give capcom money they don’t deserve
Hello There Mr. Joe while agree that they should also release the extra content as DLC for the original game I can understand why they’re not. From what I’ve read originally everything in the Ultimate was going to be DLC, but after the earthquake and tsunami this spring Capcom’s production schedule, as well as the entire country of Japan, was thrown off course. I think their original intentions was to release the characters slowly and then come out with an expansion game maybe a year later or something, You have to understand adding DLC isn’t as simple as just copy and pasting code. With each bit of DLC code released they have to make sure that it doesn’t interfere with any of the game’s original code. I believe that Capcom came to the conclusion that it was more cost efficient to release all this held up DLC as a stand alone game than putting in the man hours to test and convert each separate piece of the DLC.
I also agree that excluding Mega Man yet again in favor of so many other crappier characters is bullshit, that’s why I made these.
http://kickassmcawesome.com/comics/comic282.html
http://kickassmcawesome.com/comics/comic283.html
Capcom is not abusing their fanbase. EA has been doing this for years and so is Activision. Fighters are based on their characters so 10, or 12 in this case, new fighters is a whole new game. Modes, graphics – none of that matters compared to the gameplay addition of these characters.
“These are the old fighters!” Yes, but each of those shots shows a new, game changing, move addition or property. Us fighting game fans love that stuff and if Madden can recycle everything each year and Battlefield and CoD are yearly installments of the same idea than what is so wrong with fighters doing the same thing but with actual game changing features and characters and sold for $40 instead of full price like the previous two? It’s a double standard and I’m sick of it.
We should be supporting Capcom because they are opening the model for the $40 sequel instead of the full price patch or sequel that’s, let’s face it, ALWAYS the same game in sheeps clothing. But for almost half price? That’s a fair upgrade no matter how you look at it.
Just because EA and Activi$on have been doing this for years doesn’t make it right. It’s okay. We get it. You’re a corporate fanboy who loves having their wallet raped over and over again. Not all of us are gullible naive idiots who supports a company blindly. It this behavior keeps up, ther will be another video game crash. Is that what you want?
And you’re an arrogant twat who can’t accept opinions other than your own apparently. If people say Capcom is ripping gamers off and want to keep beating that dead horse and not buy this game, then fine. Fair enough. Even if they’re doing it unintelligently, their still making valid points.
However don’t assume anyone who buys this game or doesn’t agree with you is a corporate fanboy. That’s called elitism and its far more likely to cause than what Capcom’s pulling with this stunt (along with the retarded gamers that think only FPSs matter) since it’s basically saying “fuck freedom of speech or opinion” something that any form of entertainment also needs to thrive on.
I’m not much of a Capcom fan, and I skipped out on the original MvC3, so I was planning to buy this game. After watching this video, I’ve decided to boycott this, and I won’t be surprised when Capcom announces Super Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Tubo 3D Arcade Remix.
Obviously Joe you are looking at it from a general hardcore gamer perspective, not a fighting game fan.
We generally don’t care about “new modes” or story. New characters is all that required to spice up the variety of the matchups. I honestly think that the Team battle and tournament that is added for SSF4 wasn’t something that ppl are asking for. Barely anyone play those modes. Endless Battles and Replay Channels were good additions, though.
As such, very little ppl care about the “kontent” in Mortal Kombat that you liked so much. For fighting games, its all about that 1 on 1 competitive matchups. So the characters rosters is the first and foremost important
as for UMvC3, the bummer here is that it came out less than 1 year from MvC3, and we still not sure whether current MvC3 owners can get them as dlc. Else those are really really cool characters, characters that fans were asking for, they not “unknowns” that you are branding them. So if this came out as a $20 bundle dlc, I see it to be very resonable.
I agree, I do see Joe’s argument, but he’s not looking at it on a fighting gamer’s stand point. He’s looking at it on an average gamer’s point of view. Which isn’t a bad thing. If Ryota Niitsuma-san were to address the issues on the story and also add modes like the replay channel in Super Street Fighter 4: Arcade Edition that would be awesome. Nevertheless I agree with you.
I am a big fighting game fan myself and I do care about the bells and whistles a fighting game has to offer. We are in the year 2011 not the 90s. I don’t play them to compete in tournaments or to get better at it to challenge other people. Maybe there are those who could care less about the extras and that’s fine,but what happens when it stops being played in tournaments and is no longer the in thing. Then what?
For that reason,MK Deadly Alliance,Deception and Armageddon all got played longer in my household than MVC2 even if it is supposedly a better fighting game.
MVC3 to me is as bad and bland as KOFXII.
That and as I’ve said previously, Joe’s claiming half the roster is useless based on a lot of stupid and petty reasons. Whether people here want to admit it or not, Joe is assuming half the roster is useless despite only 4 of them having trailers and gameplay footage and is simply dismissing them as crap because he doesn’t recognize them or know much about them. (Hawkeye is the biggest example here. No Joe, he is NOT in here soley because of a cameo in the Thor movie. If you’d actually bothered to do some research you’d know he has quite a career as a Marvel character and has more a reason to be chosen than Rocket Raccoon at least) I don’t expect everyone to be an expert on Marvel but we do have sites like Wikipedia, ComicVine, TvTropes and even Marvel’s own official website to look this stuff up on and get an idea as to how they would fight.
And that’s another thing I need to ask, shouldn’t we be judging these characters on other criteria other than whether or not we recognize them like do they offer a unique playstyle? What is there moveset? Are they too similar to other characters already in the roster? (The latter something the Ken and Cyclops supporters really don’t want to get through to them) and to a lesser extent, do the fans want them? (And I’ve said this before but Marvel has the most control over their characters) I mean I hate this “they suck because I don’t know who they are” mentality fighting game fans have towards crossovers like this. It’s even more frustrating when they list off a bunch of choices that THEY claim to be better when all they consist of are X-Men and Street Fighter characters like that’s the only two franchises that matter. (This is not X-Men vs. Street Fighter 2 people)
Don’t hate me for being honest here people but these are trends I’m seeing in discussions regarding this game that I’m really fed up with now. At least the people bitching that this should’ve been DLC or that Capcom are “ripping us off” (as equally ignorant and self-righteous as they are when they make these remarks) have a valid point. A valid point that’s hard to take seriously because half the time they come across as smug dicks but a valid point nonetheless.
Honestly, I would of traded in MVC3 for UMVC3 if I didnt watch this video. Its actually kinda funny cause I read this thing yesterday about how you should actually buy this other game (Catherine) to help the gaming industry, then I watch this telling me what not to be to help the industry. I shall be sure not to get this game Angry Joe *salutes*
Here’s the thing Joe. I personally have disagreed with you numerous times. As a game designer, i find many of your arguments are bad to the point of nausea. I still haven’t forgiven you for Fable 3. However, you are absolutely correct here. This is by far your best rant. You knew what you were saying, and you had strong evidence to back up your points. You didn’t sound like some dummy who was yelling at a camera so his fans would have something to laugh at. A genuine opinion came through here.
I know i am going to get a bunch of thumbs down for the above paragraph. I know that disagreeing with you is kind of like trash talking my little pony. The fanboys will come out in droves to protect their savior.
While i said this was your best rant, it did have two problems. Number one you repeated yourself multiple times. I know you think your fans have longer attention spans than that. So to me it seemed as though you were only saying these things multiple times just for effect. The effect wasn’t needed. You can state your point, and the video can be under fifteen minutes.
The second problem i had was with your argument about the characters. You really shouldn’t have made that a point. All of those characters that you mentioned do have their own fan bases. That’s why they’re in the game. This is especially true of Hawkeye. He has a substantial following outside of the avengers movie, and his brief role in the Thor movie.
This was the only point that you made that was poorly thought out on your part. It wouldn’t have been so bad had you only said it one time, yet you made the character argument at least three times. It would have been better had you just said that YOU don’t care about those particular characters. Simply because it wouldn’t have made it seem like you’re speaking for everyone about those characters.
In conclusion i am ready for the sea of drones to come and thumb down this comment because they don’t understand that this post is actually in agreement with you. Which will make me laugh because idiots are hilarious, and idiotic fanboys are that much more amusing. I hope that your rants are like this one. Well thought out, and backed up with information. Just try and get to the point and only say that point once.
Well joe did say “Put them in seperate packets so we can pick the ones we want”. The idea was that some of those characters (IE Rocket Raccoon and Firebrand) alot of people havent heard of, and if they DID have them as DLC, then not as many people would buy them as just bundling them all together and re-releasing the game. In my opinion, Pheonix Wright actually wasnt a good idea considering how, from what I’ve seen, he has no fighting experience or anything that would help him in an actual fight; its just Capcom putting him in there just so the fans would buy it.
No if you’d pay attention to that poll Capcom-Unity held regarding DLC characters, you’d know that he was chosen out of fan requests as he was one of the top 10. (I think he ranked 3rd) Capcom try to listen to the fans for their side of the roster as much as possible, even if Mega Man is still missing (BTW, Joe I also find it ignorant that you blame a Hawkeye as the reason Mega Man is still AWOL in the game when one is a Marvel character and the other is a Capcom character. The Marvel side of the roster has no effect on the Capcom side you douchebag!) you can’t deny that Vergil, Nemesis, Phoenix Wright, Strider, Frank West, Dr. Strange, Ghos Rider and Iron Fist were not major fan requests.
I am not a console gamer, but I am sure there is a way or two for them to make a profit without leeching money like this, using TF2 as an example. What if you bought a Megaman game and unlocked a character in MvsC3 from that franchise, and a different one for each title? This could also make the companies behind Marvel movie licensed games make a buck . This would earn them lots of cash without harming their reputation, even more than this does.
I agree and understand your complaint, but I just don’t agree with one thing.
Do you always play your favorite characters? You never give anyone else a try? How do you know 6 of the characters are crap? Have you played them/seen them in action? Maybe they’re good fighters and are fun to play as. You don’t know that because you haven’t tried them.
When I first played Marvel vs Capcom 3, I thought my team would have Ammy in it all the time. Ammy is a favorite of mine, but now I barely play her anymore. I found that I liked Chun Li more. I never really cared about Chun Li before then.
I forgot to mention this as one of my points. I totally agree with you.
Oh, they haven’t forgotten Megaman.
Every week, I look through the PSN Store; lo and behold, they continue to sell new Street Fighter avatars drawn in Megaman-esque 8-bit sprites (“new” as in “a new batch every week” BTW). Then you have the constant cameo appearances, particularly from the Megaman Legends series.
No, they haven’t forgotten Megaman, but somehow I think Capcom loves to pack that salt on the wounds of the fans.
Normally, I’d share in your rage, but it has been used up on the cancellation of Megaman Legends 3; I simply don’t care anymore.
So, in the name of fairness, allow me to take a few minutes to defend the new UMvC3 roster.
(Everything else about the game? Screw it.)
I can only assume that in the majority of the roster was chosen for one of these reasons:
-It’s not without this character!
-Because the fans asked for it…!
-We need a fresh, new cast.
For the most part, they went with the third option, and I can’t completely blame them. Their choices are up for debate, but I can’t blame ‘em for trying to introduce a new set of characters. Aside from M.O.D.O.K. (I don’t care if he’s an interesting character to play now, show me a M.O.D.O.K. fanbase pre-MvC3 of a million loyal fans, and I’ll stop now, but I know you can’t), there was in fact a very strong and vocal fanbase for the rest of the MvC3 cast.
Fighting games cannot thrive on their game mechanics alone (KoFXII), but it also cannot survive on the same old cast of characters and story arcs (Bloody Roar). Changes are needed, progress must be made, and new blood must be allowed to flow through the veins of this genre.
I only started playing MvC2 a few years ago for the sake of nostalgia, but back when it came out, I was completely turned off by it.
Why? Different controls (I got better), a weird soundtrack (for a fighting game; I got used to it), seemingly-dumbed down characters (I loved to play as M. Bison, but couldn’t figure out how to control the idiot on MvC2), and recycled sprites. Yeah, up to that point, they’ve been practically using the same character animations since Street Fighter Alpha 2, but when you finally see half a decade’s worth of sprite animation together on the same screen, the “quality” starts to show.
UMvC3′s expanded cast is a welcome addition, but as you already said, all this SHOULD HAVE been added into MvC3.
It’s a shame that the Street Fighter IV games handled their updates better. When all was said and done (for the time being
), the SF4 games featured upgraded graphics, new characters, modes upon modes, language select…but the story mode really takes the cake here. Animated intro AND ending sequences for BOTH games (SF4 downgraded the intro to a psuedo-graphic novel animation, while their ending sequences were given an insane animation bump), character-exclusive cutscenes…even the DLC characters had intro/endings!
I’d probably care a little more about this fiasco if they didn’t deliver the classic 2-hit combo by announcing the cancellation of Megaman Legends 3 under the same breath.
*sigh*
Will I buy this game? Be it DLC or disc, I probably will, though I might hesitate.
I am a fighting game…enthusiast. I make it a personal mission to play nearly every kind of fighting game, to master them to some degree. I wish to be the “jack of all trades” and my personal impressions from the Big C as of late won’t change that goal.
Love me, hate me, but never forget me, I guess…
I hope they plan on adding more DLC that isn’t a Shadow Battle; I don’t mind getting kicked around by some seriously impressive AI, it’s just those stupid “missions” that are clearly meant to prolong the game’s playability for all the wrong reasons that irritate me. Will we more characters in the future? I doubt it, but we can only hope there’s more to this game than what has already been presented to us.
Before I forget, your hands and part of your head was missing during parts of your review.
Someone had to say it.
Joe, I’m going to say this because I have respect for you and what you do.
Please do not use the roster number as an argument. That point is so invalid that I face palm every time I hear it. I know that there are more characters in Marvel vs. Capcom 2, but come on! Yes, it’s a fifty-six character roster, of witch only ten of them are any useful! You watch videos from the Evolution Tournament (EVO) and you tell who uses anyone else either then Sentinel, Storm, Psylocke, Magneto, Cable, Cyclops, Doctor Doom, Juggernaut, Captain Commando, and Strider Hiryu. Let me save you the trouble. You’re not! This is the reason why I like Marvel vs. Capcom 3 more than Marvel vs. Capcom 2.
The reason I like Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is that I actually see effort put into the game. It’s easy to play, I always see some team variety, and the game is decently balanced. Unlike Marvel vs. Capcom 2, which was unbalanced, lacked in story; okay, the story in Marvel vs. Capcom 3 is practically nowhere to be present either; severely lacked in modes; yes; Marvel vs. Capcom 3 lacked in a lot of modes too, but I do see that Capcom put effort into Marvel vs. Capcom 3.
Joe, for some one who hates broken games I feel you really let Marvel vs, Capcom 2 slide.
As for Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3. I do agree that in is somewhat unfair, but they said it had to do with something with the earthquake that happened recently, and a lot of developers in Japan have stated the same thing too. So, I really don’t know what to say? Also, they haven’t announced all of the information about the game I think, so in the up coming months it may warrant a forty-dollar price tag. We’ll just have to wait and see.
Let’s go on to the characters and stages, because this is something I would really like to have a discussion on. I am looking forward to using Frank West, Phoenix Wright, the Nemesis, Strider Hiryu, Ghost Rider, and Hawkeye. So, if I’m going by the current price of DLC characters ($5.00), and I am including Mortal Kombat in this. We’re looking at $35 worth of DLC. Let’s say I buy buy all of the characters off Xbox Live that’s $60. Let’s include the stages as well. I don’t know how much a stage would cost? Let’s just say $2.50. If I were to buy all eight, so that’s $20. So, if I want to buy everything I would be spending $80. Capcom is only pricing it at $40.
I know Joe, that you wanted all of these characters and stages to be able to be purchased individually, but do you realize how much one handicaps themselves if they purchase characters one at a time? Let’s run this scenario. I buy only Frank West and you buy Ghost Rider, Phoenix Wright, and Dr. Strange. I would have no idea of how those characters work or how they play, which leaves me at a very strong disadvantage. If three or so characters came out in monthly packs, I can see it work, but individually I don’t see it working out that well.
I’m not coming out because I hate your opinion or anyone else’s also I am not Capcom fanboy. I just see it differently then everyone else. I’m mostly coming at it as a fan of fighting games, but do I see the problems that everyone has with it. This is I feel is a topic that should really be discussed further.
Sorry for the length of my comment.
I retract my statement earlier about considering UMVC3, in the end, not enough to make it even worth 40$ without purchasing the first MVC3. Shame really, Capcom made some of my childhood favorites too, just really ain’t happy with their games these days.
While I am still going to buy this since I never got the original, I agree. Capcom is being GREEDY. I do agree on what you said on how this content should have been on the ORIGINAL GAME. But still, it looks fun. Ohhhh, SHINY GAME LOOK FUN….damn, Capcom hypnotized me.
this might also be useful to you all:
http://www.themmnetwork.com/2011/07/22/why-no-mega-man-in-ultimate-marvel-vs-capcom-3-niitsuma-explains-sort-of/
Think about this also: firebrand was in because they wanted a flying creature. Nova was in because Silver Surfer couldn’t be. Nemesis and Frank West were going to be in the game at some point before anyways but weren’t. Now they are.
Thank you Joe. We appreciate you giving us and all the sheep out there warnings.
Sorry Joe, but I am buying this game. I knew that Capcom would do this, which is why I didn’t buy the original and waited for this one instead. I’m paying less money for a bigger, better game than most people payed 60 dollars for, and while I sympathize with your plight, I want it, and I’m getting it.
What will you do then if Capcom decides to make yet another version will you still buy it then?
Capcom isn’t going to know, or care, that you waited. All they’re going to see is one more unit of “DLC as a full game” sold, and that’s one more excuse to do this, again, next time.
Oh goodie, Capcom is still abusing their fanbase. It’s nice to see them stay true to form after that Megaman Legends 3 incident. Maybe if they keep at it, they’ll start re-releasing games with new twists to them….oh wait, they’re doing that with Dead Rising 2….
*Sigh* Capcom is going the route of Evil just like Activition has. Oh, well. Time to play more BlazBlue: Continuum Shift. Mu-12 has to introduce more people to the business end of the Sword of the Godslayer
I will admit what they’re offering is anemic at best but as far as the actual characters are concerned I think you should give tham a chance before going “Well I don’t like them, so they’re automatically shit!” also I’m on the fence about releasing them individually, I wouldn’t be suprised for them to go for about 5$ a piece (Or whatever they’re charging for the two DLC characters) which would add up to a lot of money, I’d much rather they add some sort of option to demo characters before buying them as opposed to “Here’s a bunch of characters who’s you’ll recognize, but their gameplay is bad so yeah….” I think they need to really look at what they did with SSFIV and NOT make the same mistake that Square Enix made with FFXIV (Not taking any notes from a similar game you had released and what did and didn’t work than).
I don’t think I said anything about the new characters at all, but since you brought it up…
I’m one of those gamers who picks a character based on play style. Take Mu-12, my main from BlazBlue, I didn’t know who she was, didn’t care about her background (depressing backstory IMO), nor did I think much on her design (Though her Astral Finish does has a nice start). I liked the way she played as a ranged technical character with her long reaching C moves.
That is what I look for in fighting characters, how they play. So IF I were to get this game, if one of them has some play style that’s interesting, I’d think about playing them.
But since I have no motivation to get this game, I’ll just watch them on YouTube.
Well I had meant for the comment to be a general comment (I had hit the “reply” button because I had planned on mentioning why megaman may or may not get much love from capcom), but speaking of your original comment about Megaman Legends 3, I doubt Capcom will be doing much with Megaman considering that Inafune left Capcom not to long ago to form Comcept so I think they’ll probably but him on back-burner for now, if just out of spite.
Rock on man
Seriously, guys, there’s nothing immoral with Capcom making profit. They have every right to charge as much as they want for their products. The fact of the matter is, they’re trying to milk MvC3, which is a terrible, terrible, business practice.
Just go buy Mortal Kombat, or play League of Legends if you don’t want to pay any money for a good game.
Still, I don’t like Joe villainizing corporate people. It’s good corporate executives that work their asses off to bring highly polished products like Mortal Kombat to us and make some good money.
Capcom has plucked a lose-lose situation out of a win-win situation. Clap, clap.
I may be huge fan of Phoenix Wright, but I have no intention of purchasing UMvC3 (not new anyway).
It seems to me that Capcom has become the Uve Boll of video games. They do stuff that pisses us all off, and when we complain about it they just smile in the camera and flip us off because their fan base will still buy their shit. The major difference is that Uve Boll has always been Uve Boll but Capcom used to be a beloved developer who we all loved.
And Capcom actually said that the reason they didn’t have Megaman in MvC3 is because they didn’t think his moves would seem very powerful unless he borrowed heavily from his boss fights. I call bull shit, because you could fix that by putting in the Megaman from Battle Network. While many of you may not be a fan of that series, anyone who played those games knows that Megaman Battle Network would make for an epic fighter. The whole point of the Battle Network series is the player uses Battlechips (aka trading cards) to fight, which made for extreme variation on attacks: heavy cannons, spread shots, swords, bombs, shockwaves, summoning big crusher statues, oh and lest not forget for ultimate attacks PROGRAM ADVANCES.
But, i doubt they would even try that since they raped Battle Network with Megaman Starforce (Megaman Battle Network ver. -2.0), so putting that rendition of Megaman in MvC3 would just remind fans of another ruined franchise .
Good on you Joe! This minor update is not worth a full retail release, it’s barely worth DLC prices, it should just be a free patch to the game. I mean really, what if WoW or any other MMO made you pay every time they tweaked job stats and fixed balancing issues? So why should you put up with it for any game these days?
I really wish I could get behind Capcom, I like MvC, but I refused to get the original MvC3 because of how anemic the game was, so I figured I’d pick it up when it hit the budget line, but now I don’t know if I even want to do that. And Joe is right, if you don’t buy the game, Capcom will get the message. The same way Nintendo got the message with the 3DS, not only are they drastically lowering the price so early in its lifespan, they’re compensating the loyal customers that bought the system early with 20 free games. Now think about it, they sell a NES game on the Virtual Console for 5$ US, the GBA games are 32-bit so they’d probably cost more, but assuming each game sells for 5$, you’re getting 100$ worth of games when the console drops 80$ in price. Nintendo is a business just like Capcom, but at least they make a solid effort to give you value for your money. The business exuse is not a reason to mistreat your consumer base.
So you are saying that Capcom should hand out 12 entirely new characters, mostly made from scratch and have to be balanced with the other 38 characters of the game, for free right? If Capcom does that, they would be going out of business, and we would get no more Marvel VS Capcom Games, or any other Capcom games, ever.
Call me a pessimist, but if they keep screwing over the costumers and receiving bad PR, that will be more likely to make them go out of business, than giving away 12 characters made with a minimal effort. Hell, people aren’t even requiring them to give them out for free, rather just patch the game and let people download the characters in packs instead.
Are you an idiot?…Did you even listen to what Joe said.
Dang some people. I’m surprised the world still spins. Dunce.
Capcom. How you have fallen from grace continues to amaze me to this day. You know what saddens me more than their business model as of late? That I am sure that young gamers who did not grow up during the NES days probably think that Street Fighter’s Ryu is their mascot when that is not the case. Maybe I am wrong on this and for that I do apologize,but I’ll never ever accept that fucking boring as shoto as the face of Capcom.
To me when I think of Capcom,I think of the Blue Bomber aka Mega Man. I know that I am not alone on this. To see how he has been treated as of late disgusts me both as a gamer and a fan of the X,Battle Network, and original series. I would love nothing more to see them leave out Ryu,Ken, and Akuma for once in a crossover series and don’t think that it can never happen.
Remember Street Fighter III? It was originally going to be designed without any of them unoriginal bastards plaguing it, but they caved into demand thanks to the fanboys. Nice going there you whiners. Just when I thought I could finally play a Street Fighter game that I had some degree of interest in and did what no fighting game up to that point dared to dare which was replace the entire cast and made new characters,you had to go and ruin that for the rest of us who have gotten sick and tired of seeing them pop up everyone.
Face it,the three of them need to stay in the 90s.
Mega Man was around before Street Fighter 2 even took off. Street Fighter for the arcade doesn’t exist as with X7,DMC2,Dino Crisis 3 and much much more.
Not to mention if it was not for the King OF Fighters series,I wouldn’t even be into fighting games at all.
As for UMVC3,besides the reasons Joe and the rest of the people before me listed as to why they hate the announcement of this cash cow,I got a few more to add that bother me personally.
Capcom’s trolling the Devil May Cry fans with Dante. Don’t believe me?! His “ending” about video games. This was brought to my attention by a close personal friend of mine who gave me her view on how it’s a sneaky jab at the fans for protesting the reboot. Then we have the latest quote on the web which is to be included for UMVS3 talking about Dante always having white hair.
Considering their behavior and how they respond to complaints,,I wouldn’t put it past them.
Vergil being included just now when it should have been the three of them right from the getgo. That way fans wouldn’t have to fight between having Trish or Vergil being included.
Finally Capcom placing blame on the earthquake/tsunami. What can I say other than I am at a loss of words.
I’l defend Devil May Cry 4,Resident Evil 5, and to a lesser degree Devil May Cry 2,but that’s as far as I’ll go which I know that many people hated.
If Capcom doesn’t clean up their act pronto,then one day they might be just another casualty in a list of dead developers. Their sales drops 33% according to IGN,and I expect it go even further down the drain as they continue to make a mockery of their fanbase.
I wouldn’t go as to far as to say not seeing those 3 in SF3 (I did appreciate how Ryu, Ken, and Chun-Li felt older in that game myself), I see where your coming from all the way, MMX was my very first game as a child, and still is one of my top 3 games, and it just hurts to see how Capcom treats the blue bomber these days.
Listen to Joe: DON’T BUY IT!
If you want it, you’ll still get it, you’ll just have to be patient for Capcom Corporate to realize their jig is up and chance their way of doing business.
I think its more likely they’ll keep making mistakes until it runs them into the ground…
Mega Man was in the Wii exclusive Tasunoko vs. Capcom Ultimate All-Stars, and don’t forget Capcom completely abandoned the Mega Man game for 3DS.
I think they broke Joe.
I gotta admit, the temptation to play him is indeed very tempting. I myself though will just do that in the store where I know they’ll set it up for demo nearby. I’m not buying it. Plain and simple.
I swear that I am going to start boycotting capcom, why buy their great games if they release the exact same game with a few tweaks 6 months later. And you know whats the worst part, capcom is now doing the same thing with the dead rising franchise, giving us the exact same place to explore, but with a new character, a few new weapons, and a new area. I hate you capcom…
I’ve only played Marvel Vs Capcom 3 a couple of times so my opinion of the game is slightly skewed. For this comment, I’ll just focus on what Joe discussed in the video. For years, video game companies have abused its consumers by either forcing us to buy bullshit DLC or releasing practically unfinished games. For me to invest $60 in a game, I expect it to be a quality product that includes as much content and polish as possible. From what I’ve heard from at least ten of my friends, MvC3 was hugely lacking in many areas. Some of the complaints included…
-Small Selection of Characters
-Balancing Issues
-Crap Online Coding
-Lack of Modes
So basically, everything Joe said in his review a couple months back. Pretty much all of these issues could have been fixed by patches much like what Mortal Kombat is doing as we speak. From what Joe told us, Capcom is taking a gargantuan crap over us consumers. Why should we have to buy an entirely new game for a couple new characters, modes that should have there in the first place and worst of all, TO BALANCE CHARACTERS! I don’t own the original game and I’m insulted. I honestly hope that people don’t but this game but its not gonna happen. Look at what Capcom did with Street Fighter 2 back in the day. I guarantee there will be plenty of “new and improved” editions on the horizon.
- Firstly, you still have to pay $5 dollars per DLC Character in Mortal Kombat as well. It’s not like Mortal Kombat is on the moral ground with distributing characters here. This is general problem with all fighters though, BlazBlue charges $7 for DLC Characters. It’s a general problem with the system.
- Next, at launch. Marvel VS Capcom 3 has 36 different characters compared to the 27/28 (depending if you have the PS3 version with Kratos or Not) Mortal Kombat 9 did. This update will push it to 48, Not counting DLC Characters. 36 is an already high number for a fighting game and 48 is even more. The only fighting game that can arguably rival this number in the present day is Tekken.
- The online downfall of Marvel VS Capcom 3 is no spectator for the Lobby mode. This is being fixed. Actual gameplay runs very solid, with bad lag only happening if you or your opponent has a bad connection in general.
- Lack of modes really is the only valid complaint I see. Whether more modes are yet to be announced for this game, we have to wait and see. Capcom has said more are coming. How much though we do not know yet. I’m not expecting a Story Mode though.
- There has been a balance fix already in the game. Much like Mortal Kombat. However they really can only do number changes, like adjust moves that do damage or affect stun time to prevent infinite combos. It’s not like brand new moves can be added this way. This version however will give new moves to all the characters as well though. Something which cannot be done by regular small patches, or at least, something I haven’t seen done by regular small patches. This is yet another flaw with the DLC system itself. Capcom isn’t the only ones to do this.
And yes, there probably will be a version of Marvel VS Capcom 3 after this one. But so to will there be another version of Mortal Kombat, BlazBlue and King Of Fighters. It’s a general trend with games. Much like how there isn’t much differences between each Guitar Hero Game, Each Just Dance Game, and arguably some First Person Shooters as well.
Thanks for correcting me. I’m not an avid player of fighting games so I’m out of tune to all the specifics of each game. I mostly got my info from my friends who are not exactly the most informative of people.
There’s one thing that bugs me is that Mortal Kombat and BlazBlue are 1 on 1 fights so learning how a DLC character works and if they want to pick that character up won’t drastically change how someone plays
However Marvel vs Capcom 3 is a 3 on 3 tag fighter so players must not only know how the character work but they also have to decide rather or not that character is worth putting them in there team you know what I’m saying
It goes further that. You also have to learn how to fight against the DLC Characters as well if someone else is playing as them, you need to learn there strengths and how to take advantage of their weaknesses and learn how to beat them in a match.
you don’t seem to get the point, players don’t want to pay for a bunch of shit they don’t want to use. Selling Characters individually for like $5 is way better than bundling them all and calling it a new game. I’m pretty sure Capcom also said they aren’t going to make the changes in Ultimate DLC, only on the “new” disk. What is mostly infuriating is that its the same people who made SSF4 so it makes no sense why they did not just put in the same modes for online, or know that Spectator Mode is just a must have for this kind of game, especially for King of the Hill mode. Also the game does little for the fan base with the lack of the story (WHICH THEY PROMISED) and how each ending is just 2 still images.
Well first off, they said they couldn’t make Spectator for Marvel VS Capcom 3 initially due to how different it plays compared to Super Street Fighter 4, not only does MVC3 have to contend with 6 characters loaded at once, but it also has to maintain a higher speed of gameplay as well. It wasn’t as easy as porting other the system from Super Street Fighter 4.
As for the argument, whilst there may be some people who may only want to play as one or two characters. I’m going to assume most people would want the complete package and be able to play as all of them. More is better and you feel like you have a complete package. And doing it as a disc is, in that regard better. Also helps if you want to bring a game over to a friends, you wouldn’t have to both download the same DLC just to play as a character you want. If you have the disc you’ve got it. And I’m certain that plenty of stores will be doing offers that let you buy Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3 for a reduced price if you trade in the original Marvel VS Capcom 3.
Though this does raise a newer different question. Should Capcom just released Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3 in the first place? Delay the launch of the game and just release this version for Christmas?
3 things
1. Most people would actually prefer to buy each character individually, because you aren’t going to pay for something you’re never going to play as, I have MvC3 and never played as Modoc, She Hulk, or Arthur, and have no interest to do so and if given the option if i could dock the price of the game for the character i don’t play, i would.
2. You get the same problem if a game has you unlock characters if you are bringing the game to someone else’s house, and in this case, Ultimate MvC3 you have to give Capcom $40 to unlock these characters, at least from the view of those who bought the first game. Which really illustrates the sense of betrayal within those who bought MvC3.
3. As far as not being able to play the game with your friends because one of you not buying the DLC, this is the exact same thing if not worse. In most games you can still play the game with your friends but only with the old content, in this situation if one has Ultimate and one has regular MvC3 they won’t be able to play unless 1 of you caves and buys the other version of the game, forcing 1 player to pay an extra $40, rather than in a normal DLC deal where 1 payed about $70 total and the other has to make the extra $10 purchase to play. And based on Capcom’s recent practices i doubt there wil be any kind of a discount, they probably think the $40 price is a discount enough from the regular $60.
Yep, I think I’m going to stick with Tatsunoko vs. Capcom. It actually has Mega Man in it, and feels like a completed game.
Honestly, what is happening to Capcom? I understand a poor original release of MvC3 if they’re having money troubles, but they should be able to do BETTER in a re-release.
Also yeah Capcom seems to hate Mega Man. I mean they recently canceled Mega Man legends 3. They have not given us Mega Man in MvC3 yet. I mean what gives
lol at the Rocket Raccoon part. I have some of those comics I think it was a mini-series in the 80s. What an obscure character to choose
Not really. He has been used a bit in the past years and will be in season 2 of the Avengers cartoon that Disney XD airs. But during the whole Annihilation story line Marvel did a couple years ago he was a character in it
His recent adventures in the Guardians of the Galaxy Comics makes me think he’s not as obscure as he used to be
My apologies. He’s an obscure character…to me.
I will not buy this game until it drops under 20 bucks and used at Gamestop or somewhere else. I am only really interested in it for Ghost Rider, Rocket Raccon(yes I do know who he is and I like him and come on how much fun would it be to kick someones ass with a space racoon holding a gun), Iron Fist, Hawkeye, Nemesis(though it is funny since Capcom said they did not want him in the games. Funny how that changed), Phoenix Wright, Frank West, and Strider. But Capcom shouldn’t make money off of it. These things could have all been DLC. They could have released it as four 3 packs of characters. That way they can still get the characters that people wouldn’t want asnd still make money off of them. Just have it like Phoenix Wright, Strider, Ghost Rider and Iron Fist be the main 4 of each set since I believe they are the 4 people want the most. Spectator mode and balance issues should be free upgrades. Why do we have to pay for there mistakes.
Really, with the fluctuating economy in the state it is and people holding onto their cash, the problem might just solve itself.
I do agree with some of your points, but to me..you save alot of money by doing it this way, as individually if you got all those guys as DLC, you’d pay more. Also..all of those characters have their fanbase, even the 3 I see issue with: Hawkeye, Rocket Racoon and Firebrand. You say six of those nobody wanted..excuse me, but Nova and Iron Fist have a humungous fanbase. If you call yourself a true marvel fan, you know who they are, and they are both awesome! Also, as I said before, MVC3 and SFIV are done by two different external developers, Eighting and Dimps respectively..meaning Capcom makes neither of them directly.
Also if you know how capcom japan works, the developers get paid whether the game does well or not, reguardless. Its just they get paid BONUS if it does exceptionally well even more so than others..but if it does bad? They get paid just as much as if it was a moderate sucess.
Also, they did hold a character poll, and a vast majority of the people offered for UMVC3, were somewhere on that poll, hell, alot of them were in the higher tiers of the polls, and Seth has said they DID look at the polls. But they can only do so much sense they also have to get Marvel’s approval for their characters. I will agree they should’ve offered it as a patch, and the characters as DLC (it upset me ALOT that this wasn’t the case..hell gamestop will only give me 8 dollars for the original MVC3 VIA TRADE IN WHICH IS A RIP OFF), but I still like new content, no matter how you slice it, and will still buy the game.
Again, I love Nova and think only 3 characters are really an issue…not 6, and even those 3 have their fanbase. I guess this is the short/more civil version of what I was going to put. There we go.
I do still agree that it should’ve been patched for free, Spectator free DLC, and the characters individual DLC as an option..cuz I’d save money as i’d only get about 4 characters. (I like alot of them but only want about 4 of them) I’m still happy for UMVC3, but just to re-establish this in case it wasn’t clear before..I DO agree we should’ve had the option between the disc and downloading DLC..would’ve saved me about 20 bucks >.<
Call of Duty MW3: $60.
That is all.
I will wait and get this used for like $10 in a month or three, since i didn’t go for MVC3 when it first came.
My thoughts, exactly..
great video as always sir. I swear capcom is he only company in the world that can make a sequal into a trilogy?.how the f**k do you do that?!. Super Ultimate Mega MvC3 next year you watch!
It still won’t have megaman.
You know something, Joe.
You are right.
F*ck Capcom.
The only thing they made that I was ever a fan of was DMC but you know something even the prequal to that (which will show up next year I think) look exactly like DMC4 (which I found to be boring)
I think I am going to give up on this company for a year or two.
Well to be slightly favor to Capcom on the roster, Marvel pretty much has the say on everything that goes into their side. Capcom only argued in their favorites like Shuma-Gorath.But ya Cash grabbing is Capcom nowadays. Ca$hcom /Crapcom as they are called nowadays. Really is a shame that people still buy this and support such horrible tactics. I wont be supporting this and ask others not to, but how far will it go to help defeat the evil capcom? I dont know. Im kinda done with them now.
You know, I have never been a capcom fan of any kind. At least street fighter gives you substantially more stuff to play with other than scraps fished out of the trash can thanks to player demand. Mortal Kombat is miles better than this franchise will ever be thanks to a full and well done roster, free characters, MANY unlockables, meaningful story, and so much more not including the amazingly done fight stick with the tournament edition.
Sadly, people will buy it, Capcom will keep producing this crap, and people who know better are forced to suffer the outcome of it. I can see it now. MvC4, 25 characters, crap story, same graphics, lack of multiple game modes, basically the same game as this one for $60 and an “updated” version a few months later. thanks for the warning joe
Fun Fact Joe:
There were fan polls.
The only characters in there that got in are Strider and Phoenix Wright, I believe.
However, most of the wanted fan characters didn’t make it in.
Ahem. To correct you, here is the fanpolls info that is most relevant to this:
1. Venom – 2034
2. Gambit – 1704
3. Cyclops- 1110
4. Ghost Rider – 1095
5. Carnage – 992
6. Psylocke – 967
7. Ms Marvel 792
8. Dr Strange 758
Iron Fist was 11th.
1. Strider 2094
2. Mega Man X – 2061
3. Phoenix Wright – 1734
4. Frank West – 1311
5. Gene – 1257
6. Classic Megaman – 950
7. Vergil – 919
8. Captain Commando – 784
See how many of them were put in? Most of the top 8 that weren’t were on the Marvel side, which Capcom doesn’t have full control over.
That may’ve been the first one and not the second one..meh either way, here’s a link to all the poll versions and their results, neatly placed in one thread for you to judge for yourself:
http://www.capcom-unity.com/marvelvscapcom/go/thread/view/102977/27061421/MvC3_DLC_survey_results__round_2_inforesults_%28updated_w_UMvC3%29
I still think the people who voted for Cyclops are ignorant. The guy can only shoot eye lasers as his power. That’s it. How can you make a decent character with just that? And don’t list the older games he appeared in. Even Capcom seem to acknowledge this considering they made him another shotoclone.
It’s official , Capcom has become the Activision of the Japan.
Stupid greedy douchebags !
There worse if you ask me
Fuck this, i’m waiting for Ultimate Marvel V/S Capcom 3 Special Arcade Edition before buying anything. Heck, back in the super nintendo days i learned not to buy any new fighting game from Capcom.
Oh Joe, I normally agree with everything you have to say but this one… something I like about you Joe is that usually in your thought process first comes the analysis then in consequence comes the anger. This time it clearly is the other way around, the anger came first as soon as you found out your ominous prediction came to be. Firs I have to say that since MvC2 was active on the tournament scene for about 9 years, this game is not aimed for regular gamers, but for tourneyfags, of course brilliantly they still market it in a way that they make money of off regular gamers, but ultimately their aim is that this game stays tournament active, I will not explain how or why because it would be too long but to achieve that goal, they are taking the steps needed and one of them is the realese of this version. Mortal Kombat is doing things right for casual gamers, but they are screwing up things for their tournament scene, having one of their patches done recently way to close to Evo, THE most important fighting game tournament at least this side of the river. The content that will be relaesed for this version has not been revealed yet, they are going to reveal things over the months like it was planned with the other 8 characters that were leaked. The price for the content that has already been revealed, if you use content that’s already out as a measure stick, wouldbe of over $70, which makes the $40 realese a bargain. As for the character roster, you should go check out marvel or fighting game forums to see the reactions of people, some are way too excited about Rocket Racoon, Iron Fist and oh man, are some people excited about Nova, obviously someone at the devolpment team is in love with Dr. Strange because his two major antagonists (Shuma and Dorm) are already in the game so it’s not wierd that he is in, but I’m talking about marvel which shouldn’t be an issue since they are the ones who decide ultimately who is in the game given their own marketing agenda. Just so you see how varied the takes on which characters should be in, I hate the fact that pheonix wright is in, I HATE it, he is a lawyer, there are gods in the character roster. Pheonix destroys world, what does the dude do? Win cases? At least put characters who have hand to hand combat experience in the game man. Oh and Megaman, god Megaman, please stop asking for him, I mean I love Megaman, would love nothing more than seeing him in the game but Kenji Inafune has left capcom, and in pretty bad terms, he is not in because Inafune owns the rights to his creation and he hates capcom now, just as Samanosuke isn’t in because the actor who plays him has the rights to his face. Also Nemesis is the greatest freking addition ever, he is the most popular RE character among fans of the franchise who didn’t start playin it with the 4th game.
Please tell us how this more of a tournament game then the original MvC 3, the balance changes? because they could have done that with just a patch.