Duke Nukem Forever Satirical DLC Announced
Apparently this game feels comfortable mocking the likes of its arguably superior contemporaries. Clearly Duke lacks self-awareness where it counts.
Posted By AngryJoe about 1 year, 11 months ago
Duke Nukem Forever Angry Review, 6.7 out of 10 based on 9 ratings
After many delays, rewrites, and graphical upgrades Angry Joe finally releases his review for Duke Nukem Forever. Should you always bet on Duke? Watch to find out!
Apparently this game feels comfortable mocking the likes of its arguably superior contemporaries. Clearly Duke lacks self-awareness where it counts.
Orlando gives us this week’s Duke Nukem and Babes!
After many delays, rewrites, and graphical upgrades Angry Joe finally releases his review for Duke Nukem Forever. Should you always bet on Duke?
Only Duke Nukem can be in a game so underwhelming, and still be so cool.
Insert 12 year production joke here.
We went into this episode with a LOT of bias. Bias that was in FAVOR of the Duke Nukem Forever. Watch as our excitement turns into confusion then to anger, and finally depression. This is a sad day for gaming, and the possible end of Duke Nukem… forever.
Duke Nukem Forever is FINALLY being released in a little over a Week. So what can we learn from the Demo?
Handsome Tom and Camera Man Joe walk through the new Duke Nukem Forever Demo. Are you ready to get some?
Now there is a headline you never thought you would see.
It’s time for another special message from Gearbox President Randy Pitchford.
Posted By Vincent C.R. about 1 year, 9 months ago
Apparently this game feels comfortable mocking the likes of its arguably superior contemporaries. Clearly Duke lacks self-awareness where it counts.
Posted By TheGameheroes about 1 year, 10 months ago
Orlando gives us this week’s Duke Nukem and Babes!
Posted By AngryJoe about 1 year, 11 months ago
After many delays, rewrites, and graphical upgrades Angry Joe finally releases his review for Duke Nukem Forever. Should you always bet on Duke?
Posted By Bennett The Sage about 1 year, 11 months ago
Only Duke Nukem can be in a game so underwhelming, and still be so cool.
Posted By Fraser about 1 year, 11 months ago
We went into this episode with a LOT of bias. Bias that was in FAVOR of the Duke Nukem Forever. Watch as our excitement turns into confusion then to anger, and finally depression. This is a sad day for gaming, and the possible end of Duke Nukem… forever.
Posted By Hopewithinchaos about 1 year, 11 months ago
Duke Nukem Forever is FINALLY being released in a little over a Week. So what can we learn from the Demo?
Posted By TheGameheroes about 1 year, 11 months ago
Handsome Tom and Camera Man Joe walk through the new Duke Nukem Forever Demo. Are you ready to get some?
Posted By Robert G. about 1 year, 11 months ago
Now there is a headline you never thought you would see.
Posted By Austin Yorski about 2 years ago
It’s time for another special message from Gearbox President Randy Pitchford.
Posted By Austin Yorski about 2 years ago
Wherein the finer points of game design are discussed. It’s significantly more mature than you would think.
Posted By Yousif A. about 1 year, 11 months ago
Duke Nukem Forever Angry Review, 6.7 out of 10 based on 9 ratings ![]()
Duke Nukem Forever is an age 18 rated game. The 18 year olds of today were 6 when Duke Nukem Forever was announced in 1998. These very same people were 4 when Duke Nukem 3D came out in 1996. So, in the mid-nineties these children were far too concerned with custard and jumping to give a damn about this now legendary announcement. It’s more than likely that the only knowledge these people have of Duke comes from the ramblings of us old people who won’t shut up about a game that never happened. These people will now get to play Duke Nukem and see what all the fuss was about. We old people should get ready to do a lot of apologizing.
| PROS | It came out! Actually quite a funny game at times, loads of interactive asides, (boobs everywhere) |
| CONS | This could take awhile… loading times from the past, dated everything, boring gameplay, poor design, sinking feeling of shallowness |
| WTF?! | Wall boobs that you can slap! |
The game starts at the end, the end of Duke Nukem 3D that is. Your tutorial is actually the final boss section from the last game, which when defeated, turns out to just be a game that Duke was playing while women were doing naughty things to him. Soon you discover that the aliens have returned after 12 years apparently in peace. After being told by the president not to engage the enemy, the aliens bring the fight to you and while they are at it steal all the beautiful ladies too. That’s pretty much it for the plot, prepare to shoot aliens and get back the women.
Duke seems to be in no rush to get started. The opening section of the game drags on for quite some time. Traveling from your pent house suite, players get to experience the life of Duke, interacting with random objects and watching people climb over the place to get to you. The first time you do all of this, it’s actually quite funny. Should you have to do this all again however (like me and my corrupting save file), the novelty wears off quickly.
And that’s pretty much the line that can sum up the whole game, ‘wears off quickly’. DNF is a load of ideas crammed into one under finished article and the joy of finally getting your hands on the title dissipates within the hour. When you finally get to combat, your fists and throwing objects are your only form of attack. This is kind of fun, but the enemies are so few and far between that you wonder when anything is going to happen. After some mild drug abuse, you finally get your hands on a gun and everything goes downhill from there.
While we’re on the subject of guns, let me start by saying something I never thought I’d have to when it comes to Duke: shooting a gun in DNF is not a gratifying experience. Apart from the shotgun, none of the weapons presented in the game feel like they have any kick to them. Moreover, of all the weapons in your arsenal, the majority of them either chew through ammo, have too little ammunition, or outright feel redundant in design and function. Hell, even the devastator – an automatic rocket launcher with 60 shot –  feels like it does nothing exciting as you strike your enemies with it. And when you do manage to down an enemy with a gun, you are rewarded with one of two different flavors of disappointment. Either you get to watch the enemy rag doll haphazardly in a way not seen since the PS2, or you get showered in meaty chunks which are about as well rendered as those from a PS1-generation game. It seems in their dedication to make the game a call back to the older days of Duke, the team behind DNF forgot to bring gun-based combat into this generation.
Unlike others, I don’t so much mind the absence of the weapon wheel. However, as a design choice that may prove annoying to players, it is worth mentioning. In DNF, players are limited to carrying around two weapons at once, and have the choice to substitute which ones occupy one of the available slots. Personally, I don’t think this is a terrible way to play. However,  my problem lies in the fact that limiting players to only two gun choices seems just one too short. With the shotgun never leaving your care (if you have any sense), the second slot will almost always be reserved for something long range and mildly effective, reducing the weapons with less obvious application to redundancy and obscurity. One extra slot, and the shrink ray or any number of other weapons may have gotten some usage outside of the immediate gratification found in their nostalgia.
Once you actually get into combat, though, these gun shenanigans are the least of your problems. Your “Ego” bar represents your health in Duke, and it functions à  la Halo 2. This means that a recharging system is in place, and ducking into cover will see you back to tip top fighting condition in moments. A fine idea in principle, which DNF makes sure to ruin in practice. Seeing no fun in just making your weapons largely ineffectual, the design team has littered the game with enemies that almost entirely deplete Duke’s Ego in one or two swipes, turning the battlefield into one big game of “take cover!” Spoiler: being in cover is not fun.
You can extend the period you can spend out of cover by permanently boosting your Ego. To do this, you will need to explore the world and take part in one of many interactive sections scattered though the game. These range from making popcorn in a microwave, to beating the high score on a pinball machine, to looking at yourself in the mirror, to slapping a random pair of alien boobs hanging on the wall. As you can imagine, many of these little health boosters are easily overlooked, but for me, finding them makes up the most enjoyable part of the game. (Did I really just say that side quests make up the most enjoyable part of a Duke Nukem game!?) Honestly, finding a hidden Ego boost is actually quite fun. In one section, you even get to play air hockey, and while the controls may be terrible, it’s better than being involved in that god awful combat.
It could almost be said that the Ego boosts are the one well executed part of the game, if it wasn’t for the fact you have to look for them in a world designed behind blindfolds. Really, it has been a long while since I have seen such poor level design. Not only does this game host one of the worst cases of pop-up textures in the UT3 engine wheelhouse, but when the textures do load, the game makes you wish they would go away again. DNF is ugly in a pre-2007 kind of way. When the 360 was first released, this would have been a good look at what the console was capable of in its early stages, but now it’s just hideous. I’ll admit that every now and again the game surprises you, and pulls out some really sporadic quality, almost like it had been spit-polished in certain places. But far and few between a visually enjoyable game does not make. I does make you wonder what the team was up to when you realise that the naked women are the best rendered models in the game. Perhaps if they put that kind of effort into the rest of the game we would have a winner on our hands.
It’s not just the graphics that are sub-par. The actual layouts for the levels are from another time, and as a hint, that time is not the future. 90% of the game is made up of dull, lifeless environments that grind away your very soul. The flow of DNF is never smooth, and the whole experience feels rather disjointed at times. The underground level is a perfect example of boring design, full of lifeless corridors with repetitive pseudo-puzzles and well hidden unintentionalpit-traps. Half the time, it’s not even clear which way you should be going. Walk off the beaten path and you’ll only be treated to bad lighting and possible instant death. The joke on the loading screens which had me chuckling along with the game – ‘if you fall of a high ledge and die, it’s probably your fault’ – becomes less funny when you realize it’s really not.
Speaking of loading screens, I hope you like them. It’s a good thing that the 12 year wait for the game taught Duke fans patience, as consumers of this title are going to need it. When Half-Life was released in 1998 (the year this game was announced), there were loading times roughly every 10 minutes of gameplay, which took maybe 5 seconds to complete depending on your PC. DNF makes sure to pay homage to the year it was announced, and has loading times every 10 minutes, all of which take around a minute or two to finish. And if you die (and you’ll die), expect to see these loading times again. It’s simply inexcusable, especially considering the pop-up that then occurs every time the game comes back into existence.
So after all of these complaints, is there anything positive to say about the game? Not really, I could go on about how the driving sections are terrible, the variety of enemies is criminally small, etc, but it seems pointless. I will, however, step up to defend a rather contentious element of DNF. A large number of reviewers, journalists and other commenters have questioned the themes, and  the crassness of the humor presented in the game. That, to me, is like shooting fish in a barrel labelled “shoot the fish in this barrel.”  Yes, the game makes fun of subjects that may be a little touchy, but knowing what Duke Nukem was, and for that matter, strives to be, people should have been prepared for that going in. Viewed as the base, but self-aware humor that it is, the game’s array of political incorrectitude is actually done in pretty good jest, in my opinion. In fact, I’ll go out of my way to say that I laughed out loud at some of the jokes.
And that’s truthfully the best part about DNF,  for me: the humor. Jon St John returns as the voice actor from Duke Nukem 3D, and does a great job of getting the cheesy one liners just right. Sly humor about Christian Bale, the Halo series and more innuendos than you can shake an erotically shaped stick at litter the game. It almost makes up for the problems. For all the mistakes in the game, you can never claim that the developers got Duke’s personality wrong. One small gripe even in this department, however, is the frequency with which Duke spouts his cheesy one-liners (read: at every possible opportunity). Some of the gravitas of his character is lost due to this over-use, which also stops any of the new one-liners from becoming all too memorable.
Ultimately, after 12 years of waiting for a game that at many points looked like it would never come out, DNF turned out to be an utter disappointment. With only a few redeeming qualities – none of them fully realized - the game will likely become more of a joke than its production time. I don’t doubt for a second that it was the troubled lead-up to release that lead the game to be so jilted and confused, but that’s no excuse for the $60/£40 price mark attached to the disc. My only hope is that Gearbox can now start a new Duke Nukem project from the ground-up and get the game completed in one run. That is, if this experience didn’t damage the legend beyond redemption. I mean, this title wasn’t just bad, it was heart breaking. If it wasn’t for the fact this is a Duke Nukem game, I would have stopped playing and returned it after the first few hours.
And it’s on that note that no other review badge will do for this game but Legendary. This is a title that has been talked about for over a decade, been in the media spot light more times than I can count, and seen the end of the studio that set out to create it. It will live on in memory for years to come. This is the bad game everyone will mention. DNF is the game that everyone told those once-6 year old children about, helping to boost its status (and no doubt sales) so high that the let down can only be described as… well… legendary.
At least we still have Serious Sam!
This game was purchased on the PS3 by the reviewer from his local game store. He regrets this, and wants his money back. Seriously. The game was played for roughly 10 hours on multiple difficultly settings, and was completed. There is a multiplayer mode that was not played.
i bought this game for $19 and i don’t feel ripped off but that is most because after hearing all the reviews about this game and people calling it horrable i underestimated it. i do think it deserves a slightly higher score just cause when i hear that a game is a 2/10 it means that the game is brooken and almost unplayable. but when i mean higher score only by around 1 point or so.
12 year production?
I don’t buy it. I honestly thought this game felt rushed out. Are we sure that 3D Realms actually left Gearbox Studios anything to work with beyond a series of half-assed concepts based on shooter fads before the studio shut down? That’s the only way i can explain pathetic weapon variation with no impact, the utterly bizarre tonal shift when Duke enters an alien hive, and the fact that there seem to be some environmental glitches that instantly kill you. The game performs worse than the original Halo for fucks sake. If you held it to standards from 2004 it might look like the shit, but this is 2011 and it tries to mock games that have far surpassed it. Dear God… it’s actually making me look back on Halo 3 and think of it’s story campaign positively. I need to start saving up for Crysis 2…
The Mainstream gaming media , the critics, and pro gamers can stuff it. Their opinions are made to make them look cool.
You Duke fantards never cease to amuse me with your delicious tears. Opinions when it comes to videogames are made to inform you uninformed basement dweller,not to make anybody look cool. The real idiots around here are the little children defending a terrible shitty game and attacking others for speaking the truth.
Don’t worry though because retarded reviewers such as PC Gamer who clearly have their nostalgic glasses set on too tightly and have never played a great FPS in their entire lives are giving this pile of festering feces unjustified inflated scored.
Buyer’s remorse?
And to Kenny F. Dude you need to buy yourself a clue. Halo like it or not will be remembered fondly while DNF will not. Get over it and quit liking a butthurt fan.
The PC Gamer review is nothing but complete and utter bullshit. In what fucking universe is this former king of vaperware deserving of such a generous score.
At least you are nowhere near as braindead as Wesker500 over at Deivantart who constantly has Chris Redfield killed by the Duke when Duke is not man enough to be holding his jock.
I could only imagine what would happen if Spoony reviews this game.
To all of the Duke Nukem supporters,go play a REAL videogame.
I think that reviewers questioning the crassness and attitude of this game just shows how much the industry and gaming culture has gotten over gross-out humor and objectifying women. Especially that last part, I mean these days people can find porn within a 2 second internet search, so now it’s just annoying to have pseudo-porn in entertainment. It’s just part of what makes this game so very dated.
I expected more from you Angry Joe! A 2/10? I agree that there needs to be way more enemies… the game isn’t running on Unreal 3 its using Unreal 2.5 and you are playing the Xbox version =x really bad load times. The game runs way faster on PC with 5 second load times and a bit better looking visuals.
The overall game is nothing like you reviewed lol, the game is decent and can be engaging.
Bad Angry joe bad! you mke me really mad!… hey that rymed.
Your one confused puppy! This is my review. If you want to see Angry Joe’s then you need to head on over to his video review. It currently is displayed in the links at the top of the website.
Just because we both have sweet facial hair and my name translated into English technically is Joseph, doesn’t mean we are one and the same!
“At least we still have Serious Sam!”
That’s what I thought when I realised how crappy the new Duke Nukem game is.
Totally agree dude, serious sam kicks ass
To me, it’s okay at best, I don’t think it’s that terrible nor that amazing, it’s just okay.
I don’t care how bad it is I want to play it, can’t wait for it to hit the bargain bin…
How long til Joe’s review is up, that would be hilarious xD
i paid 67 euros for this shit and pre-ordered it i played it once never touching it again i rather see how the duke nukem next-gen ends up atleast it’s free and it uses better graphics engine and it is hopefully old school shooting game… but here’s the problem i have somewhat somesort code of ethics never throwing a game away but i really want to return this monstrosity and get my money back or atleast a better game for it help me to make a choice people but thumbs up for this comment if you think i should just return the damn thing and thumbs down if you think i should just keep it
What in world is a Duke Nukem?…
Yeah…I am one of those people who was 5 years-old when Duke Nukem 3D was a thing. But, I did do my homework before getting into Duke Nukem Forever, and…yeah no, the game is still a disappointment. I figured that it was mostly the hardcore fans who were at the age of reason in 1995 that were let down by the game, but judging by the fact that I have no real past experience with Duke, no… Its mediocre for everyone. Sad day.
Also, people really criticized the game for crude humor and content? Really?! Hm, I didn’t know people still lived under rocks nowadays…
From what i’ve seen it’s an ok game but its not worth $60.
I was told this was a Duke Nukem Forever review, but a lot of what’s being described doesn’t match the copy of Duke Nukem Forever I’m playing right now. Anyone have Cole Phelps’ number?
I haven’t played this game, but I have seen a lot of gameplay footage. I have played Duke Nukem 3D though. And I kind of understand where this review comes in. I’m not going to argue the score, or the review, I’m going to argue where game falls over in my eyes.
The Duke is Bad Ass. He always was, and is always… supposed to be. But from what I’ve seen in the combat in this game makes me doubt that. I know everyone in this generation are used to and love their practical and common sense cover based combat, and I agree, yes… It has it’s fundamental place in games these days to remind people they’re not walking lead fridges. But Duke Nukem IS a walking lead fridge. As I said before, he’s Bad Ass. And while letting him be a bullet sponge may be a bit silly, why not let him do Bad Ass things, like take cover with him. That is to say, in some awesome non-Splinter Cell way, take an alien hostage, blow a hole in its chest and use it as cover while shooting through just made hole in chest. THAT is Duke Nukem. Taking cover to then bust out from it guns blazing while running across the room to the next cover, rather than running behind chest high walls, THAT is Duke Nukem. (er, I’ll say it now, I’m not sure if this game actually has a cover system or not. I hope it doesn’t. Cover systems aren’t Bad Ass).
And in case my point wasn’t made, apart from scripted moments, this game isn’t Bad Ass, apart from some of the one liners. The weapons aren’t all that Bad Ass, Duke doesn’t fight Bad Ass, the levels aren’t Bad Ass, the game doesn’t seem to be Bad Ass. This is where it all came apart for me. They forgot who the Duke was, and just remembered his personality.
I’m sorry but you invalid your comment with your only opening saying “I haven’t played this game” I’m sick people taking the reviewers side when they haven’t even played the game and not coming up with there own opinion
Okay, fair enough. Perhaps I should change it to “I won’t play this game until it’s in the bargain bin.” I’ve seen others play it, both online and at a friends house now, and I wasn’t impressed. You don’t need hands on experience to know if a game will be disappointing or not, you just need to see it be played.
did not mean to reply to you Threeshades clicked on the wrong button sorry.
Also loading times seemed more than civil to me. For most games I played, the loading screens last much longer than for this one. It just takes a few seconds. I don’t know, maybe something’s wrong with the Console versions.
I also don’t get the hate. Yeah the graphics are definitely dated, I guess that comes with such a development time.
But the combat isn’t half as bad as its being made out to be. I think its fun. Its a mix of dodging and taking cover while shooting back. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Most of the time I just see the two extremes ewach on their own in other game. Either it’s always sticking in cover or it’s always circlestrafing. DNF actually presents a mix.
Also the guns feel quite alright, there’s nothing wrong with those in my book. I honestly don’t understand what the point is in that critique.
And holy crap don’t start me on comparing this to serious sam. I played only the first serious sam game (“HD” version) and THAT game sucked beyond my belief. It was ugly (for any time, for its own and now; and looking at the classic version, that’s also ugly), the level design was NON-EXISTENT; only one corridor after another and then a big open field, sometimes with an obstacle or two. Combat was nothing but holding down the fire button and one of the strafe buttons. And that for several minutes until the flood of idiotically bad designed enemies finally died off, so you could proceed to the next area wehre you could A+LMB your next wave of ugly enemies away. It gets old extremely fast, and tedious even faster.
In DNF you at least have something else to do than just strafe and shoot all the time and their enemy waves aren’t so huge that it becomes nothing but tedious. They know when to stop and let you move the hell on.
Yeah you got me started. I spent 5 euros on Serious Sam 1 and 2 in both HD and classic when they were on sale on steam, and after playing not even completely through the first one I wanted my money back.
But DNF? Yeah I can see myself playing all the way trhough it. I don’t think it’s a bad game. At the very worst I think its an average game, in which case i can understand people being disappointed after waiting 12 years. But on it’s own merit it’s no less than average. And it’s DEFINITELY A HELL OF A LOT BETTER THAN SERIOUS SAM <_<
this is a good game in my opinion 7/10 for me but thats my opinion
I think he was referring to the Serious Sam that’s still in development, NOT the Serious Sams that are already out and available on the market.
While I am not going to point out the irony of hating Serious Sam for being a shooter where you shoot things, nor that the ever classic Doom could be summed up in the same description you gave SS, I am indeed talking about the new Serious Sam.
http://www.blisteredthumbs.net/2011/06/serious-sam-3-bfe-trailer/
If you don’t like the look of this, you have forgotten what ‘entertainment’ means.
I do find it upsetting that you disliked the Serious Sam HD Re-makes so much. These games hold a special place in my heart and it’s sad to see someone have the opposite reaction. Thanks for your comments. Glad you found some enjoyment out of DNF.
Whether you love or hate the game, one thing we can all agree upon is that this should have never been a full price game. It’s a budget title at best no matter how long it’s been in development.
The graphical quality didnt concern me (too much)..i play many retro games and even Duke3D on XBLive still to this day.The tradmark Duke brand of humour is fine with me aswell..i knew full well what i was getting into.For all it’s faults the one thing DNF does well is silly purile humour.
To me its the level design; Boring, linear, disjointed layouts.There is no exploration or hardly any secret areas that Duke3D had.You will rarely confront more than 2 or 3 aliens at once.Jetpack where art thou??
These and loads more niggling factors.
I legitimately do not know why this game is getting so much hate. Anyone who played Duke Nukem 3D whould have known what to expect, and I feel at least, that it was delivered. The accusations of it being a Halo clone are just ridiculous. A rechargable health bar + only carrying 2 weapons do not by themselves a Halo clone make. It plays more like Duke Nuken 3D than any Halo game I have ever played, and yes I am actually about to say this next part, I had more fun with the gunfights in DNF than I did in any of the Halo games. (haven’t played the multiplayer yet so can’t comment on that) but so far I would actually give the game a 7 or an 8 out of 10.
I have to disagree about the humor. In my opinion lines like ‘stick him in your hot pocket’ are not cheesy or funny, they are at best juvenile and at worst the kind of humor where no one is laughing.
So you didn’t like the humor in DN3D, too? Because it’s actually almost the same. It’s ok if you didn’t like it but it’s naive to expect anything else.
On another note : I don’t think this game is material for a 7 or 8 out of ten in ANY way. More a 4 or 5.
I actually didn’t play the original Duke Nukem games until recently in preparation for this one. I didn’t really like the humor but my main complaint isn’t about the maturity, it’s about the lack of anything clever in the humor. Most of it really feels like a few teenagers on a bus wrote it. Thirteen years, so much money and so many ways they could have gone and this was really the best they could write? I won’t say I could do much better, I’m not good at humor but I will say that there are many writers who could have done a much better job.
Nah, you just don’t get what’s funny about this sort of humor. And I don’t blame you. If it wasn’t Duke spitting those one-liners it wouldn’t get a chuckle out of me.
Voice + character + stupid one-liners = win. It’s like Arnold’s best days when everything was simpler.
If you start writing clever puns into a Duke game it just isn’t Duke.
I mean “Rest in pieces!!!” That’s not funny. Not at all.
*Duke blows an alien to bits and grumbles : Rest in pieces!* Now here we gow…
Simply heartbreaking… i used to LOVE DN:3D back in the day.. but wow… i think this should be the last game in the series.. EVERY other DN game has sucked.. this is the nail in the coffin..
I think a 2 is honestly fair. This game was in development for 13 years and what did we get? A bad Halo clone with boobs. It shows that basically the first 12 years of dev. time got thrown out and around 2010 someone said “People still foam at the mouth for Halo right? Lets slap Duke into a crappy clone, those feebs will buy it up cause it’s Duke Nukem Forever; it has titties AND it plays like Halo. It’s a lowest common denominator masterpiece!”
Yes The Duke has some good lines and there’s some laughs to be had, but a little bit of humor does not a good game make. When I can sit here and say I’d rather play Halo (and I HATE Halo), the developers have failed in a big way.
Dude, let go of the Halo fixation, it’s giving the PR department at Bungie bad vibes.
In fact in your over eager over simplification you got if all wrong. My knowledge in DNF production history might not be encyclpoedic, but still I can see the claer line of thought that brought us this.
After series of production setbacks (i remember 2 or 3 instances of them anouncing they have changed graphics engine), the game fell unde the radar between 2001 and 2004.
Actual game development is suspected to have stopped before 2004 when the last new screenshots were published.
3D Realms were conning Take Two Interactive for money for DNF production till 3D Realms fell apart.
In 2009 Take Two interactive sued then allready defunked 3D Realms for money and rights to everything DNF related (and probably the whole franchise). They won the lawsut in early 2010.
The wanted to salvage something of the millions of dollars allready sunk into this doomed project by assigning it to Gearbox and giving them 1 year and a half to finish (witch is incredibly short time to develop a good game).
That said, I don’t defend the state the game apparently is ( i have spent my recent gaming money on a game that is actually good, and set this one on my waiting list). If I was defending anyone in this case it’d be Gearbox, that was cought in this and did probably their best to transform this 2002 game in to something a bit more 2011 ish – and finish it – in such short time.
I don’t get why most people are SO harsh on this game. I respect everyone’s own opinion. But this game is mediocre. Nothing more (oh no) but nothing less. It has some real stupid mindless fun moments. Most of the one liners are funny. Some are really stupid but that’s the minority.
The graphics are mediocre, the gameplay is mediocre, everything is just average. A 2 / 10 is not average, it’s abysmal. And that is way too harsh.
I don’t even get why everyone had high expectations. A game that – and I quote – “is a title that has been talked about for over a decade, been in the media spot light more times than I can count, and seen the end of the studio that set out to create it” can’t be good. And it went through god knows how many builds and developer teams. How can THAT become a good game?
People are being so harsh on it because it was released at full price in 2011. The humour isn’t very funny because there’s little wit, it’s just reference. Epic Movie/Disaster Movie/Meet the Spartans, they did the same thing, confused reference with jokes…they are not the same.
The Christian Bale reference was pretty funny because it was satirical and took place at an appropriate location, the one liners that Duke spouts often make little sense in any context that could make them funny, and are delivered poorly.
Most importantly, the game is a chore to play. It feels clunky and unsatisfying, everything is weightless and the graphics are late PS2 era with a slight upgrade. This should have been a $15 or £10 downloadable title, to release this mess at full price is almost criminal.
Yeah, I get the full price thingy. Since you could buy it here in germany for just ~ 35 bucks (not at steam -.- ) it wasn’t that bad. I wouldn’t have bought it for 50 – 60 bucks. Absolutely valid point.
I hate this game more than I’ve ever hated any other game I’ve played. I legitmately feel full on seething hatred for this game. This is without a doubt the worst FPS I’ve ever played, and damn near the worst game I’ve ever played. A 2 is too fucking nice.
Yousif’s being bad! Somebody tell the Redner PR group!
Lol I think they’ve been allready fired.
I wouldn’t exactly be that harsh. Odd that some games I love are viewed by critics as mediocre or just good (Fragile Dreams, for instance, is a 6 most places, where I place it as an 8 or 9). Odds are, I will find myself having fun with this game, regardless of all of this. I can always let a game’s style carry me through the substance if it’s the right frame of mind.
But even for some of the more infuriating design choices, I do hope that Gearbox comes out with an enhanced edition and improves on a lot of things a la Hydrophobia Pure and Prophecy. It might not be as easy or cheap to do so, but I think that, given just a bit more polish (and yes, despite it’s long development time, if it had a bit more, it might improve things), then I think that Duke Nukem Forever may not be nearly as bad as people make it out to be. Maybe I am in denial, but for all intents and purposes, I just don’t dislike this game as much as most of you guys say.
I’m in the same camp as you on this one. Although I fully support Yousif’s right to have his own opinion, my time with Duke has led me to assign it a 5 on the BT Scale, as I feel it is thoroughly average. It’s good, stupid fun, that doesn’t move the genre or gaming forward one iota. If it wasn’t called Duke Nukem I doubt it would have been so venomously received, but maybe it’s just me.
I’m with you guys on this one. I’m playing through it, and I’m having a schlocky good time, just like I did with Splatterhouse despite the fact critics panned it. I really think that the whole “12 years in development” expectation should be left behind at the door because honestly, no game will ever survive that amount of hype, and it will leave critics suuuuuuuper bitter about it not being the holy grail of gaming. The 12-year-hype should have gone out the window when the project traded hands and was given to Gearbox, honestly, as they are the ones who had to finish the game. I’m honestly enjoying the game, and I would give it a 7. I’m not nearly close to being done, and I have a lot more notes to write for my own review on CheshireCatStudios.com. Plus come on dude, not to call you out, but why did you review the game without reviewing the multiplayer?
I’ll hop in the same boat as you guys. I love this game (and for this reason people look at me like I’m diseased or something). I also love Splatterhouse and don’t really get why it was blasted in the reviews, sure it has it’s flaws, but so does every single other game out there. No such thing as a perfect game.
Anyway, back to DNF. I threw all the hype out the window and bought this expecting nothing more than a fun Duke Nukem game, and that’s what I got. The single player feels like an old school FPS with all the platforming and puzzles, and that’s how I like it, and non of the over scripted crap like CoD. Multiplayer is super fun and reminds me of Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament. The load times on PS3 are a bit long, but other than that I have nothing bad to say about this game. To sum it up a quote from the Master of Kick assery himself,
“Hail to the King, Baby!”
What really nailed home the score for me (outside of the obvious) is the comparisons I can make to recent games. Take Brink for example, I would rate the game around a 5. It was average, with some good ideas badly implemented and every now and again you would find some fun within the mess that the game turned out to be.
If I stack DNF up against Brink (same genre), I have to say that DNF falls far short of the mark. I thought long and hard about the score, starting at around a 4. However, during my writing I realised that I had nothing positive to say when I put my thoughts down on paper. This meant rapid degeneration into the 2 that was given.
I do however, totally except that everyone has their own opinion and they are free to give whatever score they so wish, should they be able to justify and defend their position. Which is why I found the score that PC Gamer gave of 80% a bit difficult to swallow considering that when the writer broke down his pros and cons in the comments page, it didn’t add up.
I love conflicting views on a game and like discussing them with people. I would like to feel that I explained in my writing why the score was what it was and I hope anyone with a different point of view could do the same. That or it’s just one of those games, you know the ones I mean, the terrible ones that for some reason you just love. Jedi Power Battles would be a great example for me.
Peace out.
Comparing it to newer games probably is a little redundant. The game was in development for almost 15 years of course it’s not gonna hold up. Think of it this way, what would you have thought if the game came out in time?
If this came out in 1998 I would have shat myself with awe at the graphics, however, I probably would have still pointed out that Half-Life was a better game!
While the production time was unfortunate, I have to review the game compared against its peers. Score determination shifts with every new game that comes out. For example: Cover mechanics were seen as the pinnacle of the 3rd person shooter when they were first used (technically in Killswitch), but now they are generally seen as a tediously over used or just something that should come with a game of the genre.
Duke Nukem got left behind. It’s why I end the review hoping for a future title that comes out quickly.
I’m sorry, but if you charge full price for a game, said game deserves to be compared to similarly priced games. If they didn’t want it to be judged versus better/newer games, they should have priced it accordingly.
That said, Yousif was WAY harsh. I’d've given it a 3 :p
Also I have to give props to the use of the Legendary recommendation. Few IPs will ever go down in history like this one did.
Even bog standard shooters like Timeshift, Call of Juarez and even such dreck as Haze released nowadays are better than Duke Nukem – they feel better, play better, look better. The only thing they don’t have is the so-called humour of Duke, and that simply wasn’t funny to me. It could have been, but mindless reference with no context or wit behind it is nails on a chalk board for me.
Duke has to be labelled as below average because average games nowadays completely blow it out the water. Play Painkiller for an old school FPS experience…five or six years old but better than this full priced 2011 release by leaps and bounds.
You simply can’t pretend that 14 years of progress and refinement have happened to excuse Duke Nukem Forever’s complete failure, there are better and cheaper alternatives available.
Since I played neither Brink nor DNF I have to go by the things rewievers said. And both Angry Joe and Guru Larry shot the game to pieces (one more than the others) – while it did have some good ideas the game had AR (artificial retardedness), nothing works, textures load long time, bad texures, nothing works as intntended, incredibly bad net coding (huge lag).
Greatest pro on the part of Joe (Larry didn’t fing any pros) was it’s stryle.
Is DNF really that much worse?
I played through the first 3:30 hours before I returned it, and here’s my mini review.
The goodz: Shooting aliens is fun, I found the jokes to be quit funny. (When Duke was the one saying them.)
The Oh’noz: Load times are to long for comfort, too much getting in the way of shooting aliens, The driving and platforming segments are tedious and boring, 12 years does not make good graphics.
Wow, I did not want to believe it but… oh my god,this is not good. I don’t even know what to say to this.
Read the PC Gamer review of this game if you’re unsure, it’s about three pages long and it’s pretty detailed. Compare and contrast reviews from different sites!
After many delays, rewrites, and graphical upgrades Angry Joe finally releases his review for Duke Nukem Forever. Should you always bet on Duke?
Only Duke Nukem can be in a game so underwhelming, and still be so cool.
We went into this episode with a LOT of bias. Bias that was in FAVOR of the Duke Nukem Forever. Watch as our excitement turns into confusion then to anger, and finally depression. This is a sad day for gaming, and the possible end of Duke Nukem… forever.
Duke Nukem Forever is FINALLY being released in a little over a Week. So what can we learn from the Demo?
Handsome Tom and Camera Man Joe walk through the new Duke Nukem Forever Demo. Are you ready to get some?
Wherein the finer points of game design are discussed. It’s significantly more mature than you would think.
I can’t show you the boobs, but you’re allowed to see the gameplay.
Hear the story of the series and character directly from the mouths of the people in charge of his new game.
Poor duke :[
This is such a disappointment!
Hahaaaa btw anyone remember the nightmare level on duke nukem 64? [Press use on toilet] “MMPH MMPH Where is it?”
I honesty don’t see why people are defending this game above any other shitty games released in the past 15 years while DNF was in a coma and this is coming from someone who use to be a big huge fan of FPS. Personally I don’t like the FPS that are military based (Halo,COD,Battlefield,etc) as they tend to attract the crowd of people I dislike.
Duke Nukem hasn’t aged well and it’s like watching the Expendables again:nothing that I haven’t seen before but done much much better.
I am mostly just annoyed at the length the Duke fanboys will go to to discredit the professional reviewers’ opinions. Welcome to reality people where Duke Nukem Forever sucks and Duke’s sexism,foul mouthed,and disgusting behavior without any wit or charm is no longer acceptable. We are in 2011,not the 90′s
To sum it up Duke needs to get with the times or forever be left behind.
Ever after seeing that American flag behind the title text, I knew something was wrong.
DNF is a Fan-made game. Not made for everyone.
Obviously none of you guys were on the Duke forums… 3DRealms made this game with alot of Fan suggested content.. Unfortunetly you guys were too busy playing newschool FPS and moved on… Well good. Now shut up. and play your call of Duty shit and i’ll stick to my oldschool stuff, like Doom, Duke and Painkiller. It’s obvious that most FPS players right now are young kids, who were brought in a world where Modern Warfare is the top contender. Some people like myself have been waiting for an oldschool type of FPS, and DNF brought exactly that on the table.. I fully understand Joe’s bad review, but the fact of the matter is, this game was made for Duke Fans as it’s farewell game from 3DRealms. Unfortunetly Duke will now get a revamp in order to be alot more tactical and probably alot more serious… well you know… Gearbox style.. 3DRealms is what made Duke what it is.. any other developpers would of went another direction..
That’s my biggest problem with the game. It’s not oldschool nor newschool. If you haven’t noticed you can only carry 2 weapons and your health recharges DNF. Also the levels are way too linear.
Alright, I know I’m gonna get flamed for this: I liked this game. I really did. It was nothing like the experience of 3D but it was Duke, and it was Duke in graphics that were better than Duke Nukem 3D. It was a new chance to hear John St. John do the voice, and it was great doing a classic FPS that has only been slightly tainted by modern trends. I came into Duke Nukem Forever expecting a game with some big flaws, graphics that weren’t going to bother me because as long as I can see what is going on it doesn’t matter what the graphics look like, corny jokes, boobs, interactivity, explosive boss battles and moments of pure ‘wtf?!’-ness. That’s what I expected, that what I got. The way I look at it, this game was released in the nineties. And for a nineties game, it rocks. I don’t judge it as a 2011 game because it wasn’t meant to be a 2011 game, to Hell with what year it actually releases.
Well, I for one am not going to flame you. Why? Because you’re voicing your own experience and appreciation for the game, not spouting off trash about how stupid Angry Joe and reviewers like him are complete morons for disliking it. It’s one thing to talk about your own opinion of something; it’s a completely different thing to insult and belittle those with whom you disagree.
That said, I will counter one of your points: you say it’s not supposed to be a 2011 game. Fair enough. So why are they charging a 2011 release price for it?
wow joe they actually released it. I sure hope they just move on with things. i would like to see duke give serious sam a run for his money and stuff. theres nothing anyone can say to make this a good game. its just a bizarre freak of a game. good riddance.
I’m spade and its bubble tape…
All of the technical issues are on console versions only. The game still looks dated on pc, but it’s not broken as it is on consoles.
Ok so we know Duke Nukem Forever sucks… but what about Serious Sam?
There’s a new version coming out soon and Duke and Sam are almost the same.
And the trailer of Serious Sam 3: BFD looks better than Duke!
What do you guys think?
I loved Duke Nukem 1, 2, & 3D. The first 2 where awesome 2D games, 3D was awesome for the fact that it was something never before seen in the way it was executed. However, I wanted to see or play this game before giving my finalizing my opinion of this game. I saw VGA’s playthrough. More I saw it, the more I got bored, just like they did. I failed to impress me, and that is not a good thing for a big fan of the series. Joe, I expected a much lower rating, but I didn’t play it, so I cannot completely argue what you gave it. Now to get rid of this game from my head and play the original Duke 3D on my PC.
even Notch, the creator of Minecraft said it sucked.
Coming to a store near you: Bubsy Bobcat Forever.
Saw a funny glitch video for this game that effected the textures; looked like someone had covered the walls, furniture, patrons, & strippers in tinfoil & chewed bubblegum.
There was a two day discussion at The Escapist on whether or not Duke Nukem has more STDs than Geralt.
Kudos to Angry Joe for pointing out actual gaming flaws. Most of the reviews I’ve seen are just saying how it is or isn’t as good as they expected & the gameplay & mechanics are pretty much only comparisons with older DN games. The thing that most people don’t get is that hey, it’s been 12 years; only a small percentage of the people who play this will have ever played a Duke Nukem game before. To believe otherwise is on par with thinking that only comic book readers would ever see a Batman movie.
Well, hopefully Serious Sam 3 won’t be a letdown.
Get it for PC if you get it at all; if you wait a few months, you can get it for $20 (or way less used on Amazon) & one or two patches will be out by then. Or rent it, like Luke said.
Hey Joe, can you review Alice: Madness Returns?
Wahhhhhhhh Duke Nukem Forever wasn’t the greatest game of all time! Well…. neither was Duke Nukem 3D. The only reason it became a cult classic was because no other game had “balls” like it did. At the time, only a handful of game developers would take the risk of using profanities and nudity, thus, it worked. I really cannot even fathom why this game is getting such horrible reviews, when realistically it was a very decent game (easily comparable to HL2 and Halo). Sure, the rail shooter segments seemed like they were from the early 90′s, and some of the dialog was questionably bad, but people are acting like DN3D was written by Shakespeare. “Wahhhhhh It’s boring”, Well go play some Halo or Half-life and tell me you enjoyed playing through the library and xen levels. “Wahhhhh the jokes were corny and immature”, YOU’RE PLAYING A FUCKING DUKE NUKEM GAME, and I personally think that the “I hate valve puzzles” and the other breaking the 4th wall lines were pretty amusing (except of course the “I’m gonna ninja this” line…). I think that everybody was so READY to hate this game, that it would of gotten bad reviews even if it was ground breaking. Anyways, to all of you thinking of trying out DNF, don’t hesitate because “angry joe” is a follower and takes the safe route by literally copy and pasting his script in this video from other reviewers. It’s not the Duke Nukem I was expecting, but in my opinion (if it matters), it was definitely worth the wait to see him in action again. WAHHHHHH EVERY GAME SHOULD BE CALL OF DUTY!!!!!!!!!!
So let me get this straight: if there is a consensus among the gaming community about the real problems of a game, it’s obviously because reviewers are jumping on bandwagons and copy-and-pasting from each other.
My response: go watch VGA’s playthrough of the game. You can actually see their reactions go from excitement and anticipation of finally playing the game to boredom to disappointment to outright anger as they’re playing it. That’s not some copy-paste job there; that’s honest opinions of people who love games and who actually wanted to like this game. And the reaction itself is caught on camera unscripted.
More like, “WAAAAAAAAHHHHH! People keep agreeing that this game sucks!!”
Unless you have played it, you have no idea what the game is like. VGA only covered a very small portion of it, and I’ll agree, the first few levels of the game are crap. In fact, I’ll agree that a decent portion of the game was filler. BUT, there were very good action sequences in the game, and towards the end the one-liners begin to happen more often. Not to mention *DUKE NUKEM VOICE ENGAGED* “If you’re not an easy-mode PUSSY”, the game is actually pretty challenging. If you’re the run and gun type who wants to go around and blow shit up constantly (Yes… Duke should be doing this..), you probably won’t like it. But if you have half a brain (sorry Fraser), the puzzles in this game can be breezed through very quickly.
That show was amazing. It was a perfect duplicate of my feelings going into the game and how quickly they evaporated. And I’m sure it mirrors many other peoples feelings, too. Certainly all who quit out at around the same point.
After that point I had to quit out for a break. I cheated and watched TBs 5 hour impressions video, saw that nothing changes for the better for the length of the game and was quite happy that I just saved myself 5 hours.
No need to be jealous of Angry Joe.
You know if Joe went against the crowd it would seen even more as pandering to Gearbox and 2K Games. However the fact that all the reviewers are complaining about the same things… maybe that’s because everything they’re saying is correct. You really need to get off of your fanboy horse (or Duke’s cock) and stop thinking like corporate America wants you to. It’s fine if you enjoy the game, but you’ve obviously either listened to nothing Joe said or are taking it way too personally. He said the game is dated not in a good way but in a bad way, and the jokes aren’t so much corny as they are a lazy kind of corny. You’re welcome to love this game to death (as well as the new Leisure Suit Larry game) but some gamers don’t have as low standards of entertainment. Duke used to be a fun game, and Gearbox 2K made it boring.
New Duke game is announced apparently. Maybe now that it is fully “fresh”, fresh in the sense that DNF is out of the way and they can start anew kinda, a better game can be made. Duke has a possibility to be made relevant, though it may take some work. This game, I see as average, not to angry over it because it was about what I expected. Maybe I’m trying to justify my $90 purchase of the PC Balls of Steel Edition, but hey, that bust looks nice on my fireplace mantle. Joking aside, yeah the game had a average feel which was a bit more than I expected. Plus since I have a PC version, that may be another reason for my leniency on this game. Or maybe my nostalgia goggles are on a bit too tightly, I dunno, I just didn’t have any radically strong feelings with this game one way or the other. After waiting for so long for it, it may have just got really diluted in my mind. That being said that in no way dismisses its downfalls discussed in Joe’s review and what many others announced. If you are a fan, yeah it’s something you may want to pick up at a price drop. If you are just jumping into Duke, I would not recommend it at all.
Ya you cant compare this game to halo people. Look at it. 4/10 is the best it should get.
sorry computer lagged and commented in the wrong spot.
i agree maybe rent this game that’s all i can suggest. $60 pirce tag is nuts
When I heard about the “guess you’re fucked” scene on tvtropes, it also did note that Duke angerly declared he’d hunt down the Queen and make them pay afterwards. So he was probably just confident he could save them and made a dickish joke just to lighten the mood before they exploded.
Nonethiless, if Gearbox does make their own Duke game it would be nice if they gave Duke a sensitive scene or two just as reassurance of that.
Here’s one Joe might have missed. Early on an irritating brat is sitting in your chair and demands that you take a photo of him in it before he’ll get out. Why can’t you hit him? Even if we assume that they didn’t want to show you hitting a child* why do you have to obey this random brat’s orders? Why is there no way to get rid of him without taking the photo?
*And considering everything else they show in this game that’s pretty pathetic.
I dont know, am i the only one who though of it? After hitting the button stand in front of the brat. The picture will be taken and you can actually see how youre covering the view on the kid, so even if you have to that for him, you can put the duke note on it. You just need to be a little smarter than usual.
Also duke does a lot of things but punching children is not among them.
Not sure if that’s possible but that is at least better than the idea that Duke should just do what some irritating kid demands.
During the intro, I so expected this during the strip club:
“Yeeeah, now this is what I– what is this?! A fetch quest? In my strip club?!”
This review both entertained and surprised me. I enjoyed the vignettes and comedic game-clip utilization, and I was surprised by your speaking about the game’s more absurd bits. I didn’t expect you to like the game or to even find all of it funny, but the manner in which you called out those bits impressed me.
I think I may have underestimated you a little, Joe.
I wonder if they can change some things with DLC, such as removing the 2 weapon limit…but hoping that DLC can save a bad game sets a really bad precedent…
You know, I remember VG Cats made a joke about this game, when the guy wished for a copy of forever and saw that it had regenerating shields he was initially pissed.
As a long time Duke Nukem fan, even since the days of his sunglasses absence; this game hurt me really bad. Like you said, I even bought the balls of steel edition with the “duke’s big package” preorder add-on.
But… I’m sort-of glad that this game even became a reality at all even if it was an average. The fact is I wouldn’t have been so harsh on this game and I would have given it a 5 out of 10. All the graphical glitches that were described I never ran into other than the texture popping. The lag didn’t hit me until the end of the game.
The loading time was punishment enough and I had the nerve to play on hard mode so i had my share of getting killed. The ending was terrible (not counting the one after the credits; I kind of seen that one coming a mile away) even if it was a spoof on Call of duty. But after all that… I was still entertained when playing it. So, ya, given that notion I would have said this was an average game. I just hope gearbox does a better job with the next one and give Duke the game he needs.
By the way; 6:15 to 6:26 in your review made me cry laughing
This is what happens when you try to please fans of both current FPS games and fans of old school FPS games. You end up with game that dosen’t please anyone.
I hear that, being a 32 year old veteran gamer here, I would have to agree with that. I didn’t buy it, perhaps I will just for the sake of owning a Duke game and that’s it. It probably will never get unwrapped at all.
Great review! I haven’t played DNF, but it looks like Joe hit all the right points.
“I came here to piss on Duke Nukem Forever and chew bubble gum … and it looks like I’m all outta bubble gum.”
I wanted to buy this but the immaturity and lack of anything compelling scared me off. I am glad I saved my dough for Deus Ex:Human Revolution
you sound like somebody who would work for ign, this is fucking shit
graphic issues, like framerate and loading times are console problems only, lucky me i have it on pc
Thanks for another great review. To all that is here, I was unable to play any of the Duke’s (other then the playstation 1 game). So when I got a chance to play the one my friend got, after 15 mins of shit flying, board erasing and one liners I ask him ‘So wheres the game..if I wanted to play something as interesting as this, I would put in a shitty Wii game’. With the puzzles solving that is not needed in a FPS, lack of enemies, I mean DOOM 3 was a better reincarnation to a popular franchise, hell I think the DOOM movies was better then DNF. It was boring, lack any real gameplay, and no humor, where is S. Sam, or better yet, Bulletstorm was a hell lot better and funnier, with that (grabs a control and have the giant robot creature stomp on the Duke nuken forever case.) Thanks again :3
The Hive level was already in Duke3D. There were women trapped in the tentacle slimes all over the game. Dunno why people are so suprised to see them in this game, I guess they didn’t play Duke3D.
But yes, Duke’s reaction is pretty strange…
“kiiillllllllll mmmmeeeeeeee”
Yep, I remember them. It’s one of those instances where as your graphics go towards more realistic people are less accepting of things.
Would this game be recommended for people that can enjoy a bad game? like say for me enjoying Sonic 06 for all the glitches and abilites that would allow for just about anything to happen.
Ohh no no no. this game may have some graphical glitches here or there. but sonic 06 was a huge middle finger to any one who played the game and THAT game had no reason to be that god awful.
Great review Joe, your reviews are some of the best because I swear you give games the most fair shakedown of anyone, I hop from site to site seeing reviewers ignore the PC version and what little about the game that is good, but you cover it all keep up the fantastic work dude.
I know I shouldn’t, but I cut this game a lot of slack for the fact that it’s a rescued game, for lack of a better term. Gearbox stepped in and rescued this game, and published it so the fans could have it.
Actually Gearbox has just stated that they plan to do more with the Duke franchise. Which to me says, they’re probably already working on another Duke Nukem game, and they went ahead and finished this one and published it to keep the fans from saying “We never got Duke Forever”. I look for the next Duke game to be made by Gearbox from scratch, and it should be much much better overall. Gearbox did a smashing job with Borderlands. They know how to make a great shooter, and they could give Duke the treatment he deserves, as long as they aren’t trying to finish someone else’s work.
I have a feeling they were contractually obligated to release the game as it had already been designed, and that’s why it’s so craptastic. They had to do it to get their hands on the property rights. But hopefully they’ll listen to customer feedback and will deliberately design the next one to be true to the Duke Nukem heritage.
Apparently Gearbox were hand-picked by ex-3D Realms employees (who became Triptych and continued to finish the game as we see it) to buy the Duke IP, which indicates that 2K lost the legal battle and had no input into the situation. I’m sure there was some sort of contractual push to release it as is, though – afaik Gearbox aren’t self-funded so they would have had to have a budget given to them by 2K, which is where the contract would have come in.
Now they have the IP and the tragic mess that George left behind out of the way, they have free reign to do what they want – and let’s face it, Gearbox haven’t started a project that has done poorly. This is an exception really, since it’s a project they only got into half way through. I’m fully convinced they will be able to pull off a true Duke game and make us remember why we loved Duke in the first place.
u didnt get the real ending u are suppose to wait after the credits to get the real ending
I agree with a lot of the points you made, Joe: The game was far too cookie-cutter, trying to fit in with the modern shooter instead of trying to be its own beast.
That was my ultimate problem with the game: It tried doing far too much in terms of trying to take the series forward into the future AND trying to be an affectionate throwback to the classic 90s FPSs like Doom, Sin, or Duke Nukem 3D.
Duke Nukem Forever should have just been a complete and total throwback to the 90s, complete with a 9-weapon arsenal carried by you at all times and all that jazz, instead of trying to show that it could compete with Halo or Modern Warfare(which it couldn’t, not by a long shot).
If Gearbox, or whomever the hell finished the development, wanted to take the series forward into the future, they should do so in the SEQUELS, not in DNF. If DNF was a complete throwback/parody of 90s FPSs, then people would’ve been gushing rhapsodic out of nostalgia. Instead, nostalgia is basically the only thing driving people to buy this game to begin with…
It’s a damn shame, overall…
Too bad for Duke. Let’s just hope Duke 5 (which is technically what the next game will be) is better.
Thank you for at least mentioning the PC version. Many places rate the PC version as average or slightly above.. whereas the console versions get the majority of low reviews. Being a PC gamer, though, I’d have liked to see exactly how much better it is, if at all.
Haven’t played the game, of course, but.. eh.
The game is exactly the same, albeit with better loading times and slightly better textures. The actual game is still terrible – as Joe suggests (if I recall), it’s worth about an extra .5 of a point.
Excellent review, my thoughts on the game exactly. The game would sell in any case cause of all the hype so it seems Gearbox got lazy.
“Unfortuantley”?
It’s bad enough you keep saying “x-specially” instead of “especially”, but now this?
Hopefully another Duke game comes out so everyone can forget this one
I really never understood the allure and legendary status of Duke Nukem to begin with. I mean the first game was a pretty typical shooter at the time, it was just full of movie one-liners and had tits in it. And everyone who was an adolescent or pre-teen was at the time was like “tee hee, Duke Nukem has strippers in it, I totally need to play it”
And that was… it. I mean, did anyone out there really think this game was going to be good?
And really Joe? Every male gamer dreams of seemingly under-aged, blood-related twins giving bjs? You know if you have a threesome with them it’s still incest right?
Really though what place does a franchise like Duke Nukem have in today’s gaming world? In the 90′s he was a throwback to 80′s action heroes, so he’s already about 20 or 30 years dated. Gaming is shedding it’s perception as a boy’s club for manchildren, so where does immature humor and misogyny come into the modern game atmosphere?
Duke Nukem 3D was not the first Duke Nukem game, but it was the first one to have the M Rating. He had two side scrollers before that, both of which my brother and I have played. Strippers did not appear until 3D, which is the only one anyone recognizes anymore. There were a few other games in between, which we had mixed opinions on.
I could go on, but it would get to ranting at that point. Just wanted to say there were more Duke games than just 3D and Forever.
My bad, though to be fair I think many people do associate Duke Nukem with only Duke 3D.
I certainly do not condone misogyny and am amongst the first in line to wish for videogame culture (and not just that) to move on from being a boys only club with no girls allowed that only gushes out brown, linear, cover-based shooters.
But it’s not just tits and strippers that made Duke3D a good game, oh no. Of course, there’s going to be people claiming that as much as there’s people that claim that The Witcher 2 is a mature game only because of the cheeky porn sex scenes, but they’d be missing the whole point.
Duke Nukem 3D had a very creative level design, dozens of secrets spread around maps that are tiny for today’s standards and yet feel much larger due to the sheer amount of passages, secret and not, forks in the road, alternate routes and whatnot, all this despite the game being “Get from point A to point B and press the button”.
It is appalling to see that in 12 years the graphics got updated but the gameplay actually went back. The level design is WORSE in 2011 than it was in 1997. I think this is also our fault as customers: it’s as if people forgot that technological improvements are not a game designer’s merit and no longer expect them to put any effort in aesthetics and actual game design.
As for Duke being a misogynistic caricature made of one-liners and pop culture jokes, he came straight from the ’90s and he was pretty much a parody of himself even back then. Parodies can be fun when done right, but here it wasn’t, so he came across as just… Annoying.
Well the parody definitely wasn’t done right in this game. I had no desire to play it but I watched Video Games Awesome’s playthrough of the first bits. It got really boring how every single character kept praising Duke, he came across less like a parody and more like a self-insert fantasy for the game developers.
I would have respected the game more if they really did go for parody. Like Duke is just awkward and out of place in the world, but they need him to take down the big bad.
Oh wait I already played that game, it was called Eat Lead: The Return of Matt Hazard. And even that had better graphics and level design than Forever. And had sharper jabs at game genres.
But really I don’t see how the humor in this game or 3D can appeal to anyone but 12 year olds, despite being rated M.
Personally I’m not much a fan of over the top sex in games, but really for a good portion of the gaming community that was what they were looking forward to. That and shooting things. The problem here is that it didn’t really manage to deliver that well on either. Admittedly it did have places like the strip club and eventually you do start shooting up the place like the crazy firefight it’s supposed to be, but it takes far too long to get to either.
aaaand the disgusting level in duke nukem forever that joe showed us in his review cements it: I’m never getting this game. ANYONE who likes that level is a sick fuck.
Decent video Joe, but one thing:
‘Why isn’t this game more like the 2001 E3 trailer?’
(trailer has several turret and vehicle sequences, like DNF)
I expected DNF to suck, and it does. I just have to see how bad it really is – so its a rental for me.
I cannot believe the two weapons thing, that is just a poor design decision – and who do you blame with so many people having an input towards the game!
Already said it on Youtube but i just want to re-iterate:
This is the fairest review i’ve seen of this game, and that’s why AJ is my favourite game reviewer.
And it is absolutely true: PC version is superior by miles. Graphics glitches i had none playing it, texture popping also doesn’t happen, it’s all right there from the beginning. No framerate issues, textures generally look better than in the console screenshots, better multisampling and the controls are also responsive and smooth.
Texture popping happens on PC and the mouse controls are rubbish. Some of the worst I’ve experienced.
Sorry to hear that, but for me the mouse was fine, just needed adjust it once and it was perfect for me (as it is with every shooter game i played, only a few needed more adjusting)
And I only ever get texture popping if i minimize the game window and then open it again, but even then after two seconds tops everYthing looked fine again.
What makes him the most fair? Every point he touched upon has been brought up by other reviewers.
Yes but other than reviews ive seen so far Joe gives it 4 out of 10 points while the others usually range around 1 and 2 which is in my humble opinion grossly exaggerated underrating.
So you’re saying Duke is same as Alpha Protocol? I might even try it out then.
good to see joe addmiting that some issues are only on the xbox360 me likes
Joe, a lot of the issues you had with the game I 100% agree with (other then the loadtimes issue, but I got the PC version). There is a lot of mistakes in this game, a lot of errors to be found, and a hell of a lot of missed chances thrown in for good meassure. Yet I couldn’t help but have fun playing this game.
Now that could be just me, but it is something a lot of people (at least those who got the PC version) have been saying about the game. Yes, even with the Hive level…ot a point with that one at least.
Still, I feel there are two many reasons why this game feels as empty as it does. The first of which was they simply wanted to prove they could in fact make this damn game, and make it on time, As a result that would have meant a lot of side things needed to be cut that would have held them up in getting the game made.
The other point could seen me looking more crazy then not, but I think the other reason this game feels so empty is because they want to make sure they have enough stuff for the next game in the series, and yes, they are making it.
If that point holds true, someone (say the Corporate Commander) took one quick look at the game, then figured the best thing they could do with it was to remove a ton of content from this game so they had something to use in future games since it would be cheaper to throw together sloppy seconds then come up with a new idea/content for something. That or DLC.
Yeah, Megadeth!!! Thanks Joe
And you’re right. If this game was released in 2001 perhaps it would’ve been received much much better. But now it’s … it’s just … meh. It’s like another military gray-brown shooter with a Duke Nukem paintjob. And I’m really disappointing because I wanted some old school action. If you haven’t waited 12 years and you don’t expect much, maybe the game will be somewhat passable … if not, then don’t even bother guys.
Joe is the best video game reviewer i have ever met. i ALWAYS know if a video game is good or not for REAL when he does a review. cause Joe dont lie. if its good he tells us why. if its bad? same reason. Rock on Joe. at least i know i got one reviewer out there i can trust. my money is safe because of you.
You took the words right out of my mouth Sweettooth. i agree. But unfortunatly i pre-ordered the game on Steam.
i wish i didn’t.
He echoed many of the same sentiments held by the major review outlets. Every single negative criticism of the game he brought up here, right down to the “Valve puzzle” scene, has been mentioned in other reviews.
Joe simply came to the same conclusions as others, though he delivered his assessment in a far more entertaining fashion.
Yes AJ, a lot of people think and always thought the 2001 version looked way better. But looking at the dev screenshots included in the Extras menu you can clearly see a lot of the worst design decisions that made it into the final game were made and implemented before the 2001 trailer. Of all the trailers, the 2001 one does its job the best because it covers up the games flaws the best. That’s really all there is to it.
So yeh, blame Georgie Boy, 3D Realms or even Triptych (formed after the 3D Realms shutdown by former 3D Realms employees). If you listened to the first couple of dev podcasts that were posted here on BT you can ascertain that Gearbox basically had nothing to do with the game itself, except for ‘managing the IP’. Also, I guess there’s a certain level of blame to be put on 2K, who should have priced the game significantly lower.
Also, prepare to be put onto Xentax’s shit list, because Mr mouse is a ****** retard.
PC version is superior, but still doesn’t make the actual game any good. Giving this game a 4 was extremely generous.
I agree. Given how the review was going up to that point, I almost expected a 3 or even a 2.
That being said, I bought the “Balls of Steel” package.
Despite all the shortcomings, I still enjoyed it, if only because it was a freakin’ Duke Nukem game.
The wait was historic, and the game alone is legendary (for better or for worse).
If they do decide to make another Duke Nukem game (and they will), we as gamers will be expecting much more.
Wasted way too much money and effort on this disaster but atleast i got my money back double… before release date i had bet with my friend that it wouldn’t live to it’s expectation and we never would see the game 2001 trailer showed and everyone who has played forever knows that it was easy win now just waiting duke nukem next-gen(3D Remake) fan made free and it has better graphics than forever
Kudos for including Megadeth’s version of Duke’s theme.
Anyway, all this criticism makes me want to play the original… but if they’re remaking it then I should probably wait for either that or the original on XBLA to drop in price.
I paid 66 bucks for this p.o.s., with pre order, and walked 5 miles to and back altogether.
I went about 32 hours later, from midnight release, to return it and they wouldn’t take it unless I was willing to trade it in for 23 FUCKING DOLLERS! WHAT THE FUCK!
You should have sold it to someone waiting for it for $50, then you would have gotten most of your money back.
Yep, I didn’t think Joe would like it either.
They just don’t get it…
Enlighten us then.
You just don’t get it. Superman 64 was an amazing game. I’m not going to tell you why. If you were as good as me, you’d just know!
Don’t get what?
I remember how you trolled the VGA thread with the same thing, except in that thread you actually admitted you hadn’t played the game and were therefore unqualified to defend it.
So, have you played the game yet? Or are you still tilting at windmills?
i wish i could get my money back.
My brother has already played this whole game, and he told me his opinion before this review. He said pretty much the exact same things that Joe did.
I have yet to play Duke Nukem Forever, but after hearing what both my brother and Joe had to say about it, I don’t think I want to. It sounds like this game just went through too many developers and such to be a consistently good game throughout the whole playthrough.
Great review though, Joe! I was interested throughout the whole review, and it made me laugh many times!
Good job!
For me, this game was only worth a rent at best. So the problems:
Bad graphics (like from Prey years ago)
Texture popping
Long loading times
Less enemy variety, as well as weapon variety
2 weapons limit did make me mad
Final boss was so easy
But however, I think the fact that it was 12 years in the making that there was too much creative control, and too much stuff was added or subtracted from.
But the thing is, I actually enjoyed it. Sure, it was not the best game out there, hell, I didn’t expect it to blow me away. If I could put this game in perspective, I’d say this game is like watching a B movie: you know it will be bad, but you’ll love it nonetheless, regardless of its faults. If could give it a score, I give it a 6/10.
I didn’t really think about it until I was watching your review but I remember thinking Duke was gonna save all the hot babes. Instead he just ends up killing them or watching them die. What kind of hero is that? He didn’t show any concern at all, instead making a stupid comment as the two girls died. Wtf? I played the whole game and it was pretty crappy all the way through with almost nothing to redeem it. I’d barely give it a 2 for a score. It was majorly disappointing especially after years of waiting. I really can’t understand the people defending it. Everything you said was true from the weapons and aiming being terrible, to the absolutely horrible platforming sections, boring/lame mini games, mindless driving sections, stale jokes, and even Duke commenting on how shitty the ending was. Duke himself, commenting on how the ending was shit was so perfect. It was the only line he had in the game that made me come close to laughing. The biggest surprise to me though was when I took the game back to Gamestop to trade it in they gave me a full refund and I didn’t even have to ask. Yes it was that bad.
It sucks to see that this game didn’t do as well as some hoped, but at the same time, if a game is on the back burner for 12 years, you truly can’t expect it to be outstanding or even relevant to a certain degree. That said, I hope this doesn’t kill the franchise outright, because I agree with Joe, this is Gearbox’s chance to revive an otherwise dated series and make it good again. I still think it can get away with its type of humor, it just needs to be brought up to modern standards is all.
Oh MAN that was TRUE ANGRY JOE!!!! 10:40 – 11:15 THAT’s my Joe! Hell yeah great job. Show them that they f’ed it up by trying too hard.
On a side note… that 2001 iteration looked fantastic. You see when you’re not gonna put RPG elements in your FPS. Put some AMAZING action with shit blowing up and make it go fast at least. Turret parts should be about obliterating many weak enemies so you feel like you’re in freaking control. Driving stages are useless.. but if you’re gonna do them at least do them in an EPIC fashion where you run over dozens of enemies in true Duke badassery. Seriously, why is this game so freaking bad.
The PC version is superior by far. And I had a lot of stupid fun.
That said I was able to buy the game for 35 bucks, not 60.
Still a 4/10 is a fair score.
As a Duke fan I played it once, then a little multi, then uninstalled. Duke 3d lasted way longer …. especially since I’m STILL messing around with Build (the level editor).
The evil forces of Corporate have succeeded, Joe has become just another main stream reviewer.
I’m not sure you understand the words that you’re typing. Joe is reviewing the game the way he sees it. just because it agrees with the “main stream reviewer” doesn’t make him one. Also, how can giving a game a negative review make Joe side with Corporate? If a Reviewer were to side with Corporate that would imply that the reviewer is giving positive reviews to bad games in the interest of Corporate. Joe is giving a negative review to a game he feels is bad, I may be missing a step here but why would Corporate ever want a bad review for even a good game?
You’re a fool if you think a bad review is what corporate America wants for it’s product. Have you been to gamestop recently? they have signs up advertising the game as well as commercials airing on it’s TVs showcasing it. Gamestop is in the business of making money, so a bad review of something that they themselves hyped up is not good for PR or business.
Duke Nukem Forever, sixty dollars, lap Dance, twenty dollars, Angry Joe as Duke Nukem in the movie adaptation? Priceless.
the problem with this game is it tries to fuse both old school shooter elements with modern FPS tropes like a 2 weapon limit
the result is a pretty bleh game, the only way you’ll enjoy this is if you’re like me and want a game that doesn’t take itself too seriously and isn’t a clone of CoD or battlefield
i really wanted to like this game. i’m a duke fan from the first hour and even my fun wore off pretty soon. when you heard all the jokes and all that is left are boring puzzles, tube levels, the 2 weapon system and the same enemies over and over.
that is just sad
Yesterday I heard that Duke Nukem 3D Reloaded was in development. It’s going to have completely updated graphics and new dialog by John St John. This is a good way to restart the Duke series and hopefully get it back on track.
And also kudos to Gearbox for actually green-lighting the development. Many other companies like Sega and Nintendo would’ve sued them right back into the stone age.
I just hope, it won’t take years like other similar projects. Or does someone actually remember something like Black Mesa Source?
I don’t really think that Duke needs to come back, and I love his old games. Alot of people who don’t know Duke won’t get it, he is like Lara Croft except he takes his one character trait and crancks it up to eleven.
From what you’ve said during the review I kinda expected a 4/10. Fair enough.
I can confirm that the PC version has shorter load times.
And yes, I’m a Duke fan, so I can overlook many of its flaws (and believe me, people: It has A LOT of it). My biggest complaint would be the level design since Duke 3D had freeroaming, huge levels with lots of secret areas. DNF on the other hand felt even more linear than HL², with one exception: HL² is FUN that way, DNF is not!
I think. I’ll give it a second or third playthrough for achievement hunting and then rather go back to DN 3D with HRP.
The key factor of satirically lampshading the bad tropes in other games is to ensure that YOUR OWN GAME DOESN’T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE. Sadly, some humor games do not follow this advice. For an example of doing this, think of a comedy RPG that lampshades excessive grinding, and then forces you to grind to beat the next the next boss. Any humor in the joke disappears when the designers admit that it’s a stupid trope and force you to do it anyways because you can’t Some do it correctly, lampshading grinding and then either avoiding it in their own game, or offering an optional, though recommended, out. Super Paper Mario did it right, making it sound like you were forced to run on a treadmill for hours, when you are supposed to find a hidden passage that has the item you need to progress. Cthulhu Saves the World and Breath of Death VII also do this type of humor correctly.
Based off of my demo playthrough and the videos I’ve seen of the levels, it is also kind of tough to make the “old-school” argument; from the looks of things, the majority of the game riffs from modern shooters. You’re “exploring” linear hallways, primarily to find a key to open a door, after which you go through more hallways to find the next key and door. When faced with an open area, it’s usually a boss arena. Also Joe, good idea bringing up the 2001 gameplay of DNF, since you are right: That video from 2001 looks far more exciting than the videos of the 2011 release.
Honestly, I think at this point, I’d rather suggest trying out Eat Lead: The Return of Matt Hazard now and wait for DNF to crash in price. At least the humor of the Matt Hazard game seems more original and topical, and the plot of a washed-up 16-bit star trying to regain his glory sounds interesting, even if the game itself is probably mediocre-at-best.
Need to fix a sentence: Any humor in the joke disappears when the designers admit that it’s a stupid trope, and yet force you to do it anyways because they couldn’t think of anything better to replace it with.
The online multiplayer in DNF is PURE old skool,only not as fun as DukeNukem3D from 1996..
Wait… they actually used something from the original development version? Well, I hope they make another duke and it’ll get at least 8 out of 10. It’s a great concept.
Oh and Joe… solid, funny, informative and fair review. 20 minutes and didn’t get boring for one second.
thinking the same thing as you are man and i hope so too
Very fair review,although i quite liked the Muliplayer aspect i still had way more fun with Duke 3D’s MP mode…where EVERYBODY could use Jetpacks at the same time.Why they scrapped the majority of the early 2000 gameplay is beyond me.
Wait for Duke Nukem 3D: Reloaded!
Yep that’s the game i’m waiting for. There was no way I was buying DNF after playing that shitty demo.
In a way this is already possible to play. Google “Duke 3D High Resolution Pack” or “Duke 3D Polymer”.
May work as a filler till the real deal releases.
well… it’s different. you’re playing Duke 3D with Hd graphics of course… but the new remastered version will feature Unreal Engine 3, it’s even better than Forever and I think this is the basis before heading on a 6th Duke Nukem game (you can’t see 5 other games ? Duke 1&2 on Amiga, 3D on PC, Manhattan project and then Forever…)
Forever has everything we want about Duke : Punchy 1liners, jokes, hilarious universe, pop culture reference… the problem is about how it :
1) wanted to be a wannabe Puzzle Game
2) how it sometimes lacked old school features.
Duke Nukem 3D on Unreal Engine + new original levels + Forever’s setting = epic win.
I ”tried” it on PC, and I’m glad I didn’t bought it. it’s a 10$ game and paying more for this is an insult. I had some expectations for this game, I assumed it could be interresting, refreshing in an old-school way… I expected more…
anyway, I never left the ”Duke’s casino” and stopped at the same place Fraser did. my mark is a 5/10.
and Joe, great ending… have you pissed on it for real or this is apple juice ??
That “babes getting violated by aliens” thing has been in Duke 3D also, so I don’t think it’s in this game just for shock value..it’s more like a reference to the predecessor.
do you think they’ll make a sequel
I think I can now safely say, I’ve seen Angry Joe literally (and I mean Literally) piss on something one to many times.
Is there anyone out there who reviewed the PC version? Maybe they would be able to say otherwise about the texture and loading issues.
Gamespot reviewed the PC version, they only gave it an extra .5.
They gave the console versions a 3.
GameArena also viewed the PC version and gave it a very generous 3. Better terrible gfx and faster loading times do not magically make the game great.
Agreed, agreed, agreed, agreed, AGREED!!!
Have to agree this game has some of the worst driving in a game ever!
Well didn’t really expect mutch. They are not really known for there awsome driveing sections…
Remember borderlines?
0:25 I see a nipple!!! LOLOMGWTF!!